You're a real piece of work sharks, I stated why I thought your "sources" were wrong and you insist on not seeing my points, everytime. I'm not rehashing, we'll agree to disagree. As far as this new little nugget you're are bringing about, anyone in the public eye has to deal with nuts heer and there making outrageous claims, until i see further more definitive proof I will not grant any credence to this. Out of all the years of studying and following Ali, through the ups and downs, I've never heard this story and I've heard just about all of them. I'll therefore assume that the reason I've not heard this story is because there is just nothing to it. Now, you are free to prove otherwise if you can. I really think it is in horrible taste to continue dragging a man's name through the mud in a public forum just because you have an irrational hatred for him but you are free to do that just as others are free to disagree with you.
You already did rehash with your "things" you supposedly "pointed out are not accurate before" comments, Moz, and with you bringing up the past of what was only one or, at the most, two real conversations between us about Ali, I'm quite curious on how you supposedly pointed out that I was "not accurate". Agree to disagree statements go along with opinion related discussions, which is different quite a bit different than someone saying that the other is wrong.
Going back to that discussion we had, I don't recall you saying much beyond the theory that because Ali was known to clown around in sparring, every knockdown should be viewed as such even though Ali, Dundee, and the reporters/observers back then certainly made differences of the times he was "clowning around" and the times they say he was legitimately knocked down. I think the discussion we had revolved around the knockdowns in spoarring to Brooks in the early 70's and Ellis in the later 70's...Go ahead, show me what was so "not accurate" about what I said about them. Show me something beyond using a blanketed theory that everyone was aware he'd do at times.
"everyone in the public eye has to deal with nuts here and there making outrageous claims"
I've seen two instances in the 80's where a "nut" brought a paternity suit forward against Ali...the Holloway one, and the later one in the mid 80's with Aaisha that was essentially settled out of court. Only two made that claim to a court as far as I've seen, so obviously that's not an often repeated theme with him in those days.
"You don't know Ali like I know Ali. The press didn't know Ali like I knew Ali. And if they did know Ali, they didn't say nothing about what he did and how he did it."
"Look, I still admire Ali. I just don't admire all of the shit he did. He ain't as great as everybody wants to say he is. He wasn't a saint."
"I know how he lived. I knew what he did. I seen the people come into camp and leaving camp. I know he walked around with a stiff dick every day. I knew that.
He would fuck a snake if you hold its head. You don't even have to hold the motherfucker's head. Just give him the snake."
- Just a few quotes from Holmes in 'Facing Ali'
What's he talking about there, Moz? What do all your Ali books that I (My Own Story, Life and Times, Facing Ali, Sting like Butterfly, King of the World, The Fight, Plimpton's Shadow Box, etc...probably a few more I'm not remembering, including the Thrilla book where it rotaes chapters from the fight to the personal stuff between them) and everybody have probably read say about the unsaintliness of Ali? Anything? Besides the story about Ali slapping his first wife around at Sugar Ray's party in his auto-bio, is there anything overly damaging to Ali in any of those books, which are basically designed to make the subject appear in the brightest light possible?
So what's Holmes talking about then, Moz? Of course you and other members of the Church of Ali may discount things like that said about your God because you (like I and everybody else) have read some books on Ali and you "think" you know the truth about Ali because you read things of him from sources designed specifically to paint him in a favourable fashion. And what does Holmes know anyway, right? I mean, afterall, he was only involved with Ali on a daily basis for a few years running including the year the young Ms. Holloway claimed to have first started a relationship with Ali. Ah, really what would a now unattached to Ali Holmes know with his such negative statements made about Ali and how he'd "fuck a snake" even if you didn't "hold the motherfucker's head".
Here, since we are making assumptions and if going by Holmes' comments and others of similiar ilk, I'm going to make one...Since Ali was so willing to "fuck a snake" according to someone who saw him everyday at that time, I'm going to assume that he'd be perfectly willing to, you know...with a young, 12 year-old Ms. Holloway. Here, now that's said, I'm going to make another assumption. You yourself didn't here about this because there was a cover up job by Ali (and his people perhaps), and Ms. Holloway was paid a handsome sum not to pursue it any further because of how damaging it would have been if this got out any further than it did. Hey, for every "nut here and there" there's certainly a wealthy athlete or businessman also here and there that's more than willing to pay out a little "hush money" just so their darker side would be kept under wraps. Goose and gander? Yep, he stuck it in the poor young girl, got her pregnant, and then went to lengths to get it all pushed under a rug. Yep, I can see it happening like that.
Assumptions, right?
That's how you work?
Or do they only work when they make your deity appear in a positive light?
