27,000 year old pyramid?

so a meteor hit earth 12,800, years ago, wiping out most of humanity . how long would anything we have today last over tens of thousands of years? not very long. buildings break down on a daily basis without constant maintenance. so say 1000 years, wed' see nothing

That is true, but if anyone looked they would find a shit ton of products like plastics. This particular iteration of humanity, if you like, got far enough to leave a lot of long lasting evidence behind. How long would a piece of machined titanium last? Maybe past civilizations left nothing like that behind because they just didn't make it that far.
 
That is true, but if anyone looked they would find a shit ton of products like plastics. This particular iteration of humanity, if you like, got far enough to leave a lot of long lasting evidence behind. How long would a piece of machined titanium last? Maybe past civilizations left nothing like that behind because they just didn't make it that far.
the poles have shifted before, they shift again. maybe thats why gobli ateki is buried
 
the poles have shifted before, they shift again. maybe thats why gobli ateki is buried

The Earth shifts its polarity, we know that happens for sure, but you are talking about an actual physical poll shift, which would eradicate everything. Lets hope that doesn't happen. The tsunami's alone would be cataclysmic.
 
That is true, but if anyone looked they would find a shit ton of products like plastics. This particular iteration of humanity, if you like, got far enough to leave a lot of long lasting evidence behind. How long would a piece of machined titanium last? Maybe past civilizations left nothing like that behind because they just didn't make it that far.

They likely advanced along a different technological pathway.

One entirely different discovery or invention could send humanity far from ever developing plastic containers. They may have had a different mentality as well, more in tune with nature. The Great Pyramid, after all, seems to be a device to harness telluric energy.

Take a guy like Tesla and drop him into society at any random timeframe and things could go entirely different for everyone.

Not to mention many of our inventions and advancements have been achieved via mistake and pure dumb luck.

They could have been incredibly proficient in one area (The Great Pyramid being a "power plant"), while completely defunct in another (having zero plastics), just like us.
 


Just saw this on YT. I always found the above story interesting, and it fits with the thread.
 
They likely advanced along a different technological pathway.

One entirely different discovery or invention could send humanity far from ever developing plastic containers. They may have had a different mentality as well, more in tune with nature. The Great Pyramid, after all, seems to be a device to harness telluric energy.

Take a guy like Tesla and drop him into society at any random timeframe and things could go entirely different for everyone.

Not to mention many of our inventions and advancements have been achieved via mistake and pure dumb luck.

They could have been incredibly proficient in one area (The Great Pyramid being a "power plant"), while completely defunct in another (having zero plastics), just like us.

True, but its not just plastics, the entire line of metallurgy, for example, seems like something big to miss and would seriously stunt a civilizations ability to advance.
 
There is no evidence this supposed pyramid is anywhere near 27K old. As the Nature article states the conclusions reached by the paper, published by the journal Archaeological Prospection, isn't justified by the data available.

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Archaeological Prospection and its publisher, Wiley, have since launched an investigation into the paper.
No. There is a refutation of the interpretation of the evidence presented by the on-site researcher, Danny Hilman. You read the Nature website article wrong (if you read it at all) and honestly, I think from your off the bat "bollocks" comment, you probably have a very rigid view of the past in general.
 
No. There is a refutation of the interpretation of the evidence presented by the on-site researcher, Danny Hilman. You read the Nature website article wrong (if you read it at all) and honestly, I think from your off the bat "bollocks" comment, you probably have a very rigid view of the past in general.
I tend to align with orthodox archaeologists. That's not to say I dismiss out of hand any new claims, just that such fantastic claims - a 27K old pyramid is a very fantastic claim - needs academic consensus before I will believe it.

There are a lot of charlatans peddling nonsense, like Graham Hancock, Von Daniken etc..Then there are 'archaeologists' and 'historians' with a nationalist bias peddling nonsense.


In the 2010s the BBC, and other MSM media, were taken in by the unsubstantiated fantastic claims of Semir Osmanagić: an ancient Bosnian Pyramid.

 
True, but its not just plastics, the entire line of metallurgy, for example, seems like something big to miss and would seriously stunt a civilizations ability to advance.

Nothing that rusts would remain for long. It's pretty much a given that they knew a significant degree of metallurgy in order to cut many of the stoneworks we see in Egypt and elsewhere, such as in India.

Just to share a video about what I'm talking about:

 
I tend to align with orthodox archaeologists. That's not to say I dismiss out of hand any new claims, just that such fantastic claims - a 27K old pyramid is a very fantastic claim - needs academic consensus before I will believe it.

There are a lot of charlatans peddling nonsense, like Graham Hancock, Von Daniken etc..Then there are 'archaeologists' and 'historians' with a nationalist bias peddling nonsense.


In the 2010s the BBC, and other MSM media, were taken in by the unsubstantiated fantastic claims of Semir Osmanagić: an ancient Bosnian Pyramid.

How is Graham Hancock a charlatan? What nonsense is he peddling? And putting him in the same category as Von Daniken is a little strange...the two are nothing alike. Hancock has opinions on things, conclusions he draws based on compiled facts, but he doesn't present his conclusions as facts themselves. He's also not an archeologist and has never claimed to be one. He's essentially a suberb data synthesizer in addition to being a very competent writer so he's been able to popularize reasonable historical narratives about the history of civilization. Most of his conclusions are hardly ridiculous. Of note, Hancock always (politely) called bs on the Bosnian Pyramid after he went and saw it himself.

As for the 27k year old nature of the Indonesia structure, that's being worked on by credentialed scientists. I say let them continue and fund the shit out of it, after the discovery of Gobekli Tepe, which completely shattered the orthodox narrative about the past prior to its discovery, all bets are off.
 
Nothing that rusts would remain for long. It's pretty much a given that they knew a significant degree of metallurgy in order to cut many of the stoneworks we see in Egypt and elsewhere, such as in India.

Just to share a video about what I'm talking about:


Oxidizing of the metal is one thing, but you also need to factor in the melting down and repurposing of metal over the course of history. Much of modern Cairo is built out of the repurposed casing stones that were originally the face of the Khufu Pyramid, which now has a "stepped" appearance because the casing stones are all gone except for a few at the bottom still in situ. Why go to the trouble of quarrying massive amounts of stone when you already have managable sized stone already all cut in one place? Same principle would apply to metal.
 
I find it hilarious that people will fight tooth and nail that the universe is trillions of years old and started with a bang, but can't wrap their heads around the possibility that the details of human history bestowed to them by their poorly funded public education just might be bullshit.
 
I find it hilarious that people will fight tooth and nail that the universe is trillions of years old and started with a bang, but can't wrap their heads around the possibility that the details of human history bestowed to them by their poorly funded public education just might be bullshit.
This is a wonderful post for perspective regarding the modern deification of reductionist science.
 
This is a wonderful post for perspective regarding the modern deification of reductionist science.
Half those motherfuckers won't recognize more practical and reasonable theories simply bc it threatens their own, and their livelihoods. That's where you get another piece of perspective, what's more important, truth, or yourself? I digress. There are dudes on YouTube just simply researching different things on their own and cross referencing with other areas who are making more sense than a lot of the "official" guys. Keeping an open mind is important, and I find many who consider themselves of the sort, aren't.
 
Oxidizing of the metal is one thing, but you also need to factor in the melting down and repurposing of metal over the course of history. Much of modern Cairo is built out of the repurposed casing stones that were originally the face of the Khufu Pyramid, which now has a "stepped" appearance because the casing stones are all gone except for a few at the bottom still in situ. Why go to the trouble of quarrying massive amounts of stone when you already have managable sized stone already all cut in one place? Same principle would apply to metal.

It's also worth noting that we've already lost metallurgic skills within our own established historical record, such as Damascus steel.
 
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