Elections 2032 is going to be very bad for Dems

[HereticBD]

Complete suspension of reality here folks.

Care to make a bet?

I'll leave the site forever if you are correct. You resign as a moderator.

This is how shrinkage occurs...

 

[UberHere]

Or we could just make votes based on pure popular vote, like the rest of the world's democracies.

lol you tool. Just in the other thread your whining about Trump and the constitution, now when it doesn’t suit you it’s a different tune.

That’s what it’s like with partisan idiots like you. Whenever the other party is in charge “muh constitution!” But when it’s your boy, you don’t give two fucks.

 

[Hog-train]

But the blue states will still be blue.

What this will really do is have more people going from the blue states to the swing states. Yes some will be going to red states as well but that will make no difference.

 

[HereticBD]

Or we could just make votes based on pure popular vote, like the rest of the world's democracies.

What "democracies" are you talking about? Turkey?

 

[avenue94]

lol you tool. Just in the other thread your whining about Trump and the constitution, now when it doesn’t suit you it’s a different tune.

I support aspects of the Constitutions, and other parts I think should be amended. Not tossed out when politically convenient. If you can't see the difference between the last two, you're intellectually bankrupt.

That’s what it’s like with partisan idiots like you. Whenever the other party is in charge “muh constitution!” But when it’s your boy, you don’t give two fucks.

Can you point out an example of where I gave the Democrats a pass for unconstitutional behavior that I criticized Trump for?

What "democracies" are you talking about? Turkey?

Literally every other democracy in the world. Can you name any that use an electoral college?

 

[HereticBD]

Literally every other democracy in the world. Can you name any that use an electoral college?

So, you really don't know, do you? It's just something in your head that sounds good, because you think the electoral college is some big evil. Again, name some of these "democratic" nations that go by the popular vote. Let's see these great nations you can list.

 

[avenue94]

So, you really don't know, do you? It's just something in your head that sounds good, because you think the electoral college is some big evil. Again, name some of these "democratic" nations that go by the popular vote. Let's see these great nations you can list.

I'm about 80% sure and honest when I'm not 100%. There might be one or two countries that tried it, but none that currently do it the way the US does.

Again, name some of these "democratic" nations that go by the popular vote. Let's see these great nations you can list.

Off the top of my head, countries that use the popular vote to pick party, executives, or representatives: UK, Germany, France, and pretty much all of Western Europe. Canada. South Korea and Japan.

Seems to work out pretty well for democracies these days.

 

[HereticBD]

Off the top of my head, countries that use the popular vote to pick party, executives, or representatives: UK, Germany, France, and pretty much all of Western Europe. Canada. South Korea and Japan.

Seems to work out pretty well for democracies these days.

LOL, no. That's like me saying that the US uses the popular vote, because that's how their lower level officials are chosen.

Canada does not use the popular vote, bruh. Trudeau lost two in a row, and yet somehow still remained Prime Minister. You don't know what you're talking about. Just bow out of this one.

 

[avenue94]

LOL, no. That's like me saying that the US uses the popular vote, because that's how their lower level officials are chosen.

I'm speaking to the presidential election and its equivalent in other countries.

Canada does not use the popular vote, bruh.

Canada uses the popular vote to decide MPs, who in turn appoint the PM and government (ideally a majority government, sometimes a minority one). Is that incorrect?

You don't know what you're talking about.

I think it's more you don't understand how the popular vote works in a parliamentary system versus the presidential system. Canadians vote on legislators, not the actual PM.

 

[gspieler]

But the blue states will still be blue.

What this will really do is have more people going from the blue states to the swing states. Yes some will be going to red states as well but that will make no difference.

This was my first thought, as well. Like do people think the West Coast, Northeast, are ever flipping? The only thing this trend does is export blue voters to red/purple states, the recent national shift to the right notwithstanding.

 

[HereticBD]

I'm speaking to the presidential election and its equivalent in other countries.

No shit.

I think it's more you don't understand how the popular vote works in a parliamentary system versus the presidential system. Canadians vote on legislators, not the actual PM.

Again, no shit. That's not a popular vote. We don't even have the main guys on the fucking ballot, but that's somehow a "popular vote" in your mind? Lulz. A popular vote is: "The guy who gets the most votes wins". That's it. You can twist yourself into a pretzel to try to make it so that other countries' totally not popular vote is a popular vote, but it's not. Not by a long shot.

It's really no different than me arguing that the US uses the "popular vote" because the individual states are decided by that, which determines their electoral college votes.

 

[Satsui Ryu]

If enough people from CA go to TX it would be nearly impossible for a Republican president to win. The margin between red and blue in TX is way more narrow than CA.

 

[avenue94]

Again, no shit. That's not a popular vote.

That's literally the popular vote. Popular vote doesn't mean you have to vote for a specific president or chief executive or PM.

A popular vote is: "The guy who gets the most votes wins".

Off the top of my head, countries that use the popular vote to pick party, executives, or representatives:

Are you unable to read?

It's really no different than me arguing that the US uses the "popular vote" because the individual states are decided by that, which determines their electoral college votes.

There's the false equivalency. Electors have no authority to decide their votes in most states, they are bound to vote for whoever won the state.

If you want the equivalent to how Canada uses the popular vote, it would be Maine or Nebraska, where voters vote and then the state's electoral votes are proportionately divided. I'm fine with this approach, but it still wastes votes and offers no advantages over just a straight popular vote.

 

[HereticBD]

That's literally the popular vote.

LOL, no it isn't. You're just picking and choosing over what you personally define as a popular vote. Canada(and many others) don't even get to directly vote for who leads them, but that's a "popular vote" in your mind, is it?

Just shut up. You don't know what you're talking about, and you are betraying your original argument that states that whatever presidential candidate receives the most votes should win. You follow that up by citing nations that don't even directly vote for their leaders. You're so ridiculous.

 

[avenue94]

LOL, no it isn't. You're just picking and choosing over what you personally define as a popular vote.

Popular vote just means the electorate decides on the outcome of the vote.

What is your definition of popular vote?

Canada(and many others) don't even get to directly vote for who leads them, but that's a "popular vote" in your mind, is it?

Yes, because that's how parliamentary systems work. You vote for the party foremost, and the party then decides on its PM.

Just shut up. You don't know what you're talking about.

Awww, is someone getting cranky that they don't understand basic political concepts.

 

[HereticBD]

Yes, because that's how parliamentary systems work.

Yeah, you'll notice that it's not called a "popular vote", and that we, much like your country, make that distinction and tally that vote differently.

I repeat, just shut up. Your flailing is embarrassing.

 

[avenue94]

Yeah, you'll notice that it's not called a "popular vote", and that we, much like your country, make that distinction and tally that vote differently.

I repeat, just shut up. Your flailing is embarrassing.

Again, what's your definition of popular vote?

It really sounds like you can't come up with one. Let me help.

Here's what US highschoolers are taught: Popular vote refers to the total number of votes cast by the general public in an election, reflecting the preferences of the electorate.

Here's Dictionary.com: The vote for a candidate, issue, etc., made by the qualified voters, as opposed to a vote made by elected representatives.

 

[HereticBD]

Again, what's your definition of popular vote?

Same as yours. It's determined by the total amount of votes cast in a public election. Tell me again how the parliamentary system somehow reflects that?

Keep flailing.

 

[avenue94]

Tell me again how the parliamentary system somehow reflects that?

Because the point of a parliamentary system is to elect MPs, not the PM. That's what you as a Canadian votes on. Is the Canadian education system struggling so badly that its citizens don't even know that they aren't voting for a PM?

That's literally the primary distinction between presidential and parliamentary democracies. The latter combines executive and legislative, while the latter doesn't.

 

[HereticBD]

That's literally the primary distinction between presidential and parliamentary democracies. The latter combines executive and legislative, while the latter doesn't.

And neither is a "popular vote". What is so hard to understand about that?