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Elections 2022 Mid-term Elections PBP

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After Trump won in 2016 I just had to accept that I did not understand much of my fellow man the way that I thought. And I personally think polls are getting more and more meaningless.

Not looking too good for the Dems right now, but hopefully they will hold on to the Senate. But even though it's very unlikely, I do see paths for a shocking Blue upset. This election will tell us a lot besides who holds the House and Senate after. We will find out where women prioritize their reproductive rights in the larger scheme. We will find out how moderates really felt about Jan 6. We will also find out just how fed up moderates are with 'wokeness'. We will find out if 20 plus months of a Trumpless Twitter diluted the poison in the well.

No result will surprise me.
I'm pretty sure the funky result in 2016 was the result of concerted effort among social media groups of right-wingers deciding en masse to foul polling by either lying or declining to respond. If you're sure the guy you hate will lose you're more disinclined to show up to vote. At least, that appears to me to be what happened. I think the cat is out of the bag now and that will only work if it's now Democrat voters that are doing it.
 
someone answer me seriously, why does the US voting system seem so precarious and unprofessional?
there's better voting protocols in my shithole eastern euro country than what you guys have.
why?

I'm guessing because about 90 percent of the problems reported are either taken out of context or outright fabricated. Like that picture of a printed ballot in #212. I mean, come on. That can't be real. That doesn't look like a ballot, it looks like a badly xeroxed ballot.
 
I only ever went to vote once and I wasn't allowed to vote because I didn't have proof of residence with me. So I just said F it.

It's a bit ridiculous to hear about disenfranchisement in the states from Dems when here in Canada you need both photo ID and proof of residence.
And how hard is it to obtain the required documents here? Hm?
 
I’m certainly not saying that Elon Musk can’t tweet his opinion about politics.
Comparing a known endorsement—whether that be Obama or Trump endorsing someone, or a properly labeled editorial in a newspaper, to biased control of the overall flow of information is a false equivalency. Endorsements aren’t the issue. In fact, a person giving a political opinion isn’t my issue with this.[\QUOTE]

All good there then.

I could always read an editorial in a newspaper, but it was clearly labeled as such, and elsewhere in the paper I could expect to actually read the news, which had certain standards of journalistic integrity. This is my main concern: the lack of standards for journalism in general, and like you said, this is just as relevant with MSNBC as it is with FOX (for example). This becomes extremely problematic if “news” sources are allowed to publish complete horseshit, and then social media companies use algorithms which favor it.

I agree with that and frequently complain about journalist standards but I also think some weight belongs on the individual as well. News isn’t going to be as centralized as it was fifty years ago at this point. People have to get better at understanding what should be credible and what shouldn’t. Though I agree there is definitely good and bad ways of doing this, I don’t necessarily think there is an fixed perfect way and there’s a lot of room in arguing about a story and it’s implications. But again, ultimately this is going to depend on people. If we get to the point where everyone are like boomers with social media and don’t understand how to vet a source, we are fucked. Government stepping in isn’t going to make that all that much better. Maybe at most schools need to do a better job in teaching civics to also involve journalist standards and vetting a publication.

A person stating their political opinion is fine—although if we are talking about public figures, media outlets, etc., it should probably be clearly labeled as such. As a private company, if Twitter or FB or whomever used an algorithm which somehow favors one ideology over another, I suppose that’s their right.

Publications do have reporting and opinion sections already. People just don’t usually understand the distinction. That’s an education problem that I don’t fault on a reputable publication.

What is more troubling is that the OANs, Dinesh D’Souza’s, Tim Pools, etc are able to publish absolute dogshit as news, and then massive social media companies could potentially favor the spread of one flavor of dogshit over another flavor (so to speak).

This gets to my other point about understanding social media. If people are allowing a social media site to aggregate or filter their news, they already are in a bad spot. Social media is never going to be some good arbiter of reliable information though there’s constant pressure and demand for them to somehow rise to that position in society. Public criticism is fine as it’s the same speech I’m defending in my prior post but any remedies beyond it to me are far more dangerous imo. Also, these companies (just like news publications) are trying to maintain a reputation which will continue to make them popular and thus profitable. That isn’t to say the incentives are the same here as social media is looking ultimately at screen time but I do think it’s part of their calculation.

I wouldn’t call doing such a thing “rigging an election,” but it certainly an attempt to stack the deck by shaping the political views of people in extremely false and misleading ways. It’s hard to call it fair.

The practice of doing it isn’t necessarily fair but I don’t extend that over to the election and say it is now unfair. There are many many factors that do or don’t go into a voters decision and not all of them are good or “fair” necessarily. The more important thing is we don’t start questioning the right to vote of one person over another and we don’t point to any topics like this and claim foul on the election itself. A democracy can’t have handholding like that and still be expected to be a free place imo.

When we’re talking about the spread of straight misinformation planted by a foreign power, that’s even more problematic.

I agree any attempts by foreign interests to spread lies should be addressed and companies deserve flack for whether they address it well and timely. However, it isn’t as easy as it looks to do that. At the bare minimum, there’s bots which the majority would agree is a problem. But then after that, you might have a mixture of Americans carrying a narrative which a foreign interest amplifies or perverts. At some point it gets back to the things we mention above. Are people vetting publications well and all the grey areas that come with that all while still being in a constantly ongoing politically charged national debate
 
I'm guessing because about 90 percent of the problems reported are either taken out of context or outright fabricated. Like that picture of a printed ballot in #212. I mean, come on. That can't be real. That doesn't look like a ballot, it looks like a badly xeroxed ballot.
yeah, if that is a real ballot, wow.
 
someone answer me seriously, why does the US voting system seem so precarious and unprofessional?
there's better voting protocols in my shithole eastern euro country than what you guys have.
why?

It's very decentralized process that every state decides on their own with varying degrees of success and failure based on the inviduals carrying out the process at the state and district level. We also probably have single cities with more people than your entire eastern euro shithole or close to it. It's not an easy task to begin with at this scale.
 
So once every 8 years you might be able to steal one vote in one district if you happen to know an active voter that isn't planning on voting?

Stealing one vote at a time is a pretty slow way to rig an election if you ask me.

You've gone from-

You need proof of address at poll
No, but many need to show an ID still
No, but a poll worker can ask if they feel like it
No, but if you haven't voted in a while they can ask
No, but if you haven't voted in 8 years plus ignore your mailbox they can finally ask
Ok, so you can cheat pretty easily since there's no checks but it'll be a slow process so who cares

Just stop digging man
 
someone answer me seriously, why does the US voting system seem so precarious and unprofessional?
there's better voting protocols in my shithole eastern euro country than what you guys have.
why?

People make it seem worse than it is for political reasons (to change voting laws in order to suppress votes from certain groups of voters).

If US voting was really as bad as its made out to be, then in person voter fraud would be extremely common... but instead it only occurs in occurs only in "0.00006 percent" of individual votes (about five times less likely than getting hit by lightning in the United States).
 
I'm guessing because about 90 percent of the problems reported are either taken out of context or outright fabricated. Like that picture of a printed ballot in #212. I mean, come on. That can't be real. That doesn't look like a ballot, it looks like a badly xeroxed ballot.

yeah, if that is a real ballot, wow.


that is the problem though, the printers are not printing properly, and the ballots are not being read because they do look like that... in addition to some machines simply not working

Here is a poll worker literally telling people in line to voter that there is an issue with the printer, which will make it unreadable. Happening at multiple locations in AZ



 
I'm pretty sure the funky result in 2016 was the result of concerted effort among social media groups of right-wingers deciding en masse to foul polling by either lying or declining to respond. If you're sure the guy you hate will lose you're more disinclined to show up to vote. At least, that appears to me to be what happened. I think the cat is out of the bag now and that will only work if it's now Democrat voters that are doing it.
Do they use cell phones for polling now?? If not then they will never be right.
 
someone answer me seriously, why does the US voting system seem so precarious and unprofessional?
there's better voting protocols in my shithole eastern euro country than what you guys have.
why?
I think a major problem is that we don't have a nationwide process for running elections. The process varies from county to county, state to state, etc.
 
You've gone from-

You need proof of address at poll
No, but many need to show an ID still
No, but a poll worker can ask if they feel like it
No, but if you haven't voted in a while they can ask
No, but if you haven't voted in 8 years plus ignore your mailbox they can finally ask
Ok, so you can cheat pretty easily since there's no checks but it'll be a slow process so who cares

Just stop digging man

33 of 50 states require some form of ID at the polls, you just happen to live in a minority of states that do not.

Most of those require photo ID, 24 of 33. Those that don't require a form of non-photo ID (proof of address)

This is a bit nit picky, because it differs by states and some of those statements were in regards to specific states rather than all or yours specifically.

What do you think the IL poll workers do with the provided inactive voter logs?
 
someone answer me seriously, why does the US voting system seem so precarious and unprofessional?
there's better voting protocols in my shithole eastern euro country than what you guys have.
why?

Was about to post this. You're the richest and most powerful nation on the face of the earth, and you're still having these kind of problems?
 
People make it seem worse than it is for political reasons (to change voting laws in order to suppress votes from certain groups of voters).

If US voting was really as bad as its made out to be, then in person voter fraud would be extremely common... but instead it only occurs in occurs only in "0.00006 percent" of individual votes (about five times less likely than getting hit by lightning in the United States).
i mean, from reading twitter, this forum, other commentaries, it just feels like it's a system on the precipice of falling apart.
 
As already pointed out, we don’t have to do that.

The guy I was responding to said he's in NY (my state) so I know for a fact that signature confirmation is required in front of the poll workers before you can vote.

What state are you in that doesn't require this?
 
I think a major problem is that we don't have a nationwide process for running elections. The process varies from county to county, state to state, etc.
many years ago i got to witness elections in Mongolia. they have this standardized system all over the country, where you take a pre-printed ballot, sign your preference, and the ballot box scans the result and sends it automatically to a centralized counting system. the elections were over at 8 in the evening, at 8:05 the news read out the winners in all counties, which party won the parliaments, all the nationwide parliamentary vote score, etc. true, mongolia is like 3 million people, but i don't see why it would be difficult to implement in america as well. it's only a larger network.
 
House... probably... Senate is a toss up.
 
This is entirely bullshit.

24 states require photo ID at the polls, 9 states require any form of ID at polls. 33 states require some form of ID at the polls.

All states require photo ID to register or you need to provide it at the polls. Every state requires pre registration except North Dakota.

Mail in requirements differ by state, but yes you still need to ID for mail in votes either to receive the ballot or when sending it in.

So in reality, there aren't "lots of places where you don't need ID". Instead there is actually no place in America that you won't be identified at some point of the process, it just differs by state when that identification takes place.
I legitimately didn't know that you were required to show voter ID to register to vote in all states. What is the pressing issue with voter ID then?

Here we don't even need to register. It happens automatically when you turn 18 and you get sent a ballot when it's time to vote. That's partly why we have so high voter participation.
 
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