Elections 2020 Democratic Primary Thread v4

[xcvbn]

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[franklinstower]

As I've said to other posters making these same claims - YES! Attack Biden for his history.

But the issue here is the video. They cut out the part that makes it clear Joe is mocking Ryan for his position so that viewer leaves with the impression Joe supports Ryan and that is completely fucking slimy. If the Joe's record is as clear as you say there's no need to do that.

Politics is a dirty, ugly game but I'd like to see Bernie keep it clean. That's all.

And one last comment, Joe's current position is what's most important.

I would argue that his current position is likely to just be the one that will get him elected and then he will "pivot" if he is elected and be glad to but entitlements in order to "save" them. Joe Biden is a liar and a plagiarizer too.

The video the Bernie people put out is bullshit but it is accurate to what Biden stands for IMO.

 

[Sycho Sid]

I would argue that his current position is likely to just be the one that will get him elected and then he will "pivot" if he is elected and be glad to but entitlements in order to "save" them. Joe Biden is a liar and a plagiarizer too.

The video the Bernie people put out is bullshit but it is accurate to what Biden stands for IMO.

So they are lying, but its ok because you believe it?

 

[franklinstower]

So they are lying, but its ok because you believe it?

Who is lying and what is "it"?

 

[Sycho Sid]

Who is lying and what is "it"?

The Bernie people with their video. They are lying that it shows Joe wants to cut entitlements, which he does not.

 

[franklinstower]

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The Bernie people with their video. They are lying that it shows Joe wants to cut entitlements, which he does not.

Ok got it.

Posting that video is bullshit but Biden has said he wants to cut entitlements many many times in his career. He just shifted his stance to run for election. I am certain that a guy who plagiarized speeches and lies about going to school on a full scholarship and finishing in the top half of his class is lying about this too.

If you believe him thats fine by me. I dont.

 

[Sycho Sid]

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Ok got it.

Posting that video is bullshit but Biden has said he wants to cut entitlements many many times in his career. He just shifted his stance to run for election. I am certain that a guy who plagiarized speeches and lies about going to school on a full scholarship and finishing in the top half of his class is lying about this too.

If you believe him thats fine by me. I dont.

Can you show me where he has said he wants to cut entitlements?

He has said he will consider it to get Republicans to he bargaining table, but he has never embraced some plan to cut them so far as I know.

 

[franklinstower]

Can you show me where he has said he wants to cut entitlements?

He has said he will consider it to get Republicans to he bargaining table, but he has never embraced some plan to cut them so far as I know.

No I wont dig it up for you. I've seen four clips of it in the last week though so you can dig it up if you want. No one is disputing he is a lying piece of shit that I know of.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

The Bernie people with their video. They are lying that it shows Joe wants to cut entitlements, which he does not.

Yes he does. he says it needs adjustments which is code word for cutting and Biden has a loooong history of attempting to cut Social Security.

 

[Sycho Sid]

No I wont dig it up for you. I've seen four clips of it in the last week though so you can dig it up if you want. No one is disputing he is a lying piece of shit that I know of.

Not providing evidence for an argument you are making is as good as ssaying you have no argument.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

Not providing evidence for an argument you are making is as good as ssaying you have no argument.

Here ya go:

Just in case my sarcasm meter failed me:
JOE BIDEN LIED ABOUT HIS RECORD ON SOCIAL SECURITY
https://theintercept.com/2020/01/25/joe-biden-social-security/

 

[franklinstower]

Not providing evidence for an argument you are making is as good as ssaying you have no argument.

You are the only one arguing against common knowledge. Go away little man. Im not going to google his record for you and if you don't already know you should not vote.

 

[Sycho Sid]

Here ya go:

Thanks. Will read it shortly.

 

[Sycho Sid]

You are the only one arguing against common knowledge. Go away little man. Im not going to google his record for you and if you don't already know you should not vote.

I am not sure why you are being so antagonistic. I am trying to figure things out, have been cordial with you, and have not insulted you.

By the way, I am voting for Bernie, so telling me not to vote is probably not the way to go

 

[franklinstower]

I am not sure why you are being so antagonistic. I am trying to figure things out, have been cordial with you, and have not insulted you.

By the way, I am voting for Bernie, so telling me not to vote is probably not the way to go

Well the point is I was not making an argument of any kind and you could have googled his record faster than telling me I should not make arguments (that I wasn't making).

But by the sound of it you googled it and now know that it is common knowledge.

 

[Sycho Sid]

Here ya go:

I see support from 20 years ago, which is unfortunate for him. He can argue the video the Sanders people produced was misleading, which it absolutely was, but he may want to stop the "I have never been for cuts", instead opting for the tried and true, "I have evolved on the issue".

Like I said, voting for Bernie again, but if it is Biden against Trump, I still trust Biden with SS a hell of a lot more than Trump.

 

[Fawlty]

I am not sure why you are being so antagonistic. I am trying to figure things out, have been cordial with you, and have not insulted you.

By the way, I am voting for Bernie, so telling me not to vote is probably not the way to go

They're even hostile to moderate Sanders voters. It's the revolution, bro. We're like, lucky they're letting us vote for him.

Biden has been wrong about...everything. Until fairly recently, too. Glad he's come around on most things though.

 

[franklinstower]

I see support from 20 years ago, which is unfortunate for him. He can argue the video the Sanders people produced was misleading, which it absolutely was, but he may want to stop the "I have never been for cuts", instead opting for the tried and true, "I have evolved on the issue".

Like I said, voting for Bernie again, but if it is Biden against Trump, I still trust Biden with SS a hell of a lot more than Trump.

I trust Biden more than Trump too man. With lots of things.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

I see support from 20 years ago, which is unfortunate for him. He can argue the video the Sanders people produced was misleading, which it absolutely was, but he may want to stop the "I have never been for cuts", instead opting for the tried and true, "I have evolved on the issue".

Like I said, voting for Bernie again, but if it is Biden against Trump, I still trust Biden with SS a hell of a lot more than Trump.

You see emphatic support over and over again.
You know he and Obama offered up SS, right?

 

[Anung Un Rama]

They're even hostile to moderate Sanders voters. It's the revolution, bro. We're like, lucky they're letting us vote for him.

Biden has been wrong about...everything. Until fairly recently, too. Glad he's come around on most things though.

Well, its the primary, and Biden and Sanders are running against each other.
Why do you find it hostile to point out the ways in which Biden is inferior to Sanders?
It’s not like this isn’t going to come out in the General if we’re unfortunate enough to see Biden get the nom.

Social Security
Iraq War
NAFTA
Bankruptcy Bill
Crime Bill
Etc, etc. Not small things like approving a new post office, we’re talking about major issues that have impacted the US and the world, and Joe has been wrong on just about all of them.