Elections 2020 Democratic Primary Thread v4

Who do you support most out of the remaining Democratic candidates?

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^^^ thinks everyone else is triggered, can’t go two posts without insults.



{<jimmies}



We get it, you’re just upset they’re all turning on Bernie. No tears now, only dreams.

When I see the amount of effort you put in to respond to posts which weren’t even directed at you, it’s not a jump in logic to say you’re triggered. I’m not even being insulting, just honest. Ditto if the truth hurts. Maybe your liberal friends will be nicer to you?
 
Respect.

While I haven't read the actual book, I've watched the documentary a few times and am probably the biggest Chomskyite on this board. And yeah, my analysis is straight from Noam's various works and talks on the media.

Like I said free PDF.

From the start of the book:

"The table shows that the five major print media surveyed engage in a similar biased usage, frequently using "genocide" to describe victimization in the enemy states, but applying the word far less frequently to equally severe victimization carried out by the United States or its allies and clients. We can even read who are U.S. friends and enemies from the media's use of the word. Thus, with the United States and its NATO allies warring against Yugoslavia in 1999, allegedly in response to that country's mistreatment of the Kosovo Albanians, official denunciations of that mistreatment flowed through the media, along with the repeated designation of the abuses as "genocidal." The same pattern applies to the Iraqi regime's abuse of its Kurdish population-after it had ceased to be a U.S. ally- faces official denunciations, harsh sanctions, and parallel media treatment."

-- That is the kind of info you get. Chomsky sources his work extremely well and the book is very through and detailed. The conclusions he comes too are also the obvious instinctual conclusions anyone would first guess about MSM. They systemically defend their own corporate interests.
 
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If you go by betting odds, Bernie at +215 is leading, followed by Biden at +225, Warren at +650, Bloomberg at +700, and Buttigieg at +900. Fivethirtyeight has Biden at 44%, Bernie at 19%, no majority at 15%, Warren at 13%, Buttigieg at 8%, and "anyone else" at 0.6%.

If you buy Biden as the frontrunner, he's very strong with the elderly and with black voters, and I think the primary arguments by people who like him are that he's electable (as a perceived moderate), experienced, and was the VP during one of the most successful presidencies in American history. If you buy Bernie as the frontrunner, he's particularly strong with young voters and doesn't have big weaknesses among any group. People who like him here see him as a particularly leftist candidate, and some have (implausibly, IMO) made an electability argument for him, too. Among his more-typical voters, there's a perception that he's a moderate on culture-war issues, which helps him.

I wonder why the betting odds are so different than what 538 is saying.
 
When I see the amount of effort you put in to respond to posts which weren’t even directed at you, it’s not a jump in logic to say you’re triggered. I’m not even being insulting, just honest. Ditto if the truth hurts. Maybe your liberal friends will be nicer to you?


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PS, there’s never been an ounce of truth in your posts. It’s gullible leftist nonsense. Someday you’ll turn thirty, realize you bought all their bullshit hook line and sinker, and start voting republican like every other productive man in America.
 
Yet you shit your pants at the prospect of elites getting what they deserve. Sounds like you’re pretty confused; you’re closer to becoming homeless than a billionaire.

What the fuck are you smoking lol. I dont even understand your point if you have one at all.
 
How’s this for a rebuttal.

Reality check,

Your policies will cause a mass exodus of wealth from America. You raise taxes, and the rich will simply move somewhere cheaper. It’s not 1940 anymore, and your current hero is accomplishment-less charlatan who is selling you a bunch of shit he knows he’ll never be able to pass.

imrs.php


Democracy = following the people's will

Comrade Bern = the most democratic candidate out there.

PS: We've heard this capital exodus scare a thousand times before. The latest was in the minimum wage increase arguments. But several states and cities have gone ahead increased it to $13 or $15/hour anyway and guess what, no Soviet Union yet! WTF???
 
imrs.php


Democracy = following the people's will

Comrade Bern = the most democratic candidate out there.

PS: We've heard this capital exodus scare a thousand times before. The latest was in the minimum wage increase arguments. But several states and cities have gone ahead increased it to $13 or $15/hour anyway and guess what, no Soviet Union yet! WTF???



Next time, before embarrassing yourself, read three more posts. There you will literally find a source with the results of this tested in Europe, with its outcome labeled as an “exodus”.


<seedat>


PS, we’re not a democracy. You’re learning all kinds of things today. Good for you.
 
{<jimmies}{<jimmies}{<jimmies}



PS, there’s never been an ounce of truth in your posts. It’s gullible leftist nonsense. Someday you’ll turn thirty, realize you bought all their bullshit hook line and sinker, and start voting republican like every other productive man in America.

Lol, okay bobgeese, let me know when your prediction becomes true.
 
This dude is not going to last.

He's going to burn out like a moth to a flame.
 
Next time, before embarrassing yourself, read three more posts. There you will literally find a source with the results of this tested in Europe, with its outcome labeled as an “exodus”.


<seedat>


PS, we’re not a democracy. You’re learning all kinds of things today. Good for you.

You also see that three European countries still have the wealth tax. 2 out of those 3 are very prosperous and rich (Norway and Switzerland)

Most importantly, the reasons why it was a relative failure in the EU and what would be different in the US are also spelled out:


Unlike in the European Union, it's impossible to freely move to another country or state to escape national taxes. Existing U.S. law also taxes citizens wherever they are, so even if they do sail to a tax haven in the Caribbean, they're still on the hook. On top of that, Warren's plan includes an "exit tax," which would confiscate 40 percent of all a person's wealth over $50 million if they renounce their citizenship.

Warren's tax is also only limited to the super rich, whereas in Europe the threshold was low enough to also hit the sort-of rich. This higher threshold helps it avoid problems like someone having a family business that makes them look rich on paper but, in fact, they're short on the cash needed to pay the tax.

Also important, Zucman argues, the higher threshold means only a small group will be affected. And smaller groups have a harder time fighting for exemptions, which hurt European efforts. Some countries, for example, exempted artwork and antiques on the grounds they were hard to value. It's true, but it creates a huge loophole: Buy lots of art! Economists hate incentives like these because they distort markets. Warren's proposal calls for no exemptions.

Wealth inequality is a massive problem worldwide. The left is proposing new ways to address this based on past mistakes and successes. The irrational right is saying "Nah, let's not change anything. Problems go away when you ignore them."

Do you ever get tired of being irrational?
 
Next time, before embarrassing yourself, read three more posts. There you will literally find a source with the results of this tested in Europe, with its outcome labeled as an “exodus”.


<seedat>


PS, we’re not a democracy. You’re learning all kinds of things today. Good for you.
This so called "exodus" from Europe has no bearing on the argument of the quality of life, the power of our middle class or our overall society. Not to mention it's misrepresented. Rich people are rich here too. Listen to some facts, just comparing my own country here, but it's largely the trend with all simular countries. Just to put the propaganda in perspective:

  1. We have less poor (rank #3 of OECD countries, US ranks near near bottom at 34 https://data.oecd.org/inequality/poverty-rate.htm#indicator-chart)
  2. We have less inequality (#5 on the Gini-coifficient, US doesn't rank top 30, #1 on P90/10P, US doesn't rank top 30 ttps://data.oecd.org/inequality/income-inequality.htm - )
  3. We have less crime and much less violent deaths (5 times lower the rate of homicides https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/VC.IHR.PSRC.P5, https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26551975)
  4. We have less prisoners (#6, US ranks last with over twice the amount of number 2, and 10 times as many per capita as us)
  5. We have a longer life expectancy (81 years vs 78 years https://data.oecd.org/healthstat/life-expectancy-at-birth.htm
  6. We have less government and corporate corruption (#1, US doesn't rank top 20 https://www.transparency.org/cpi2018)
  7. We are ranked higher on forbes list as a better country to do business with (#7, US ranks #17 https://www.forbes.com/best-countries-for-business/list/#tab:overall)
  8. We have a higher freedom ranking, including free speech and human rights (#10 on the Freedom House ranking, US ranks #58 - #6 on the CATO list, US ranks #17, https://www.businessinsider.com/cou...s-worth-noting-that-the-us-was-ranked-58th-28, https://object.cato.org/sites/cato....ex-files/human-freedom-index-2018-revised.pdf)

Isn't it crazy how we can both have stronger social safety nets, provide healthcare and education for all, less crime and still have equal or better business opportunity and more freedom? Pretty much all northern European countries rank above the US in most or all of these metrics. But wait, you have a bigger military and more rich people! Yay!
 
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This so called "exodus" from Europe has no bearing on the argument of the quality of life, the power of our middle class or our overall society. Not to mention it's misrepresented. Rich people are rich here too. Listen to some facts, just comparing my own country here, but it's largely the trend with all simular countries:

We have less poor (rank #3 of OECD countries, US ranks near near bottom at 34)
We have less inequality (#5 on the Gini-coifficient, US doesn't rank top 30, #1 on P90/10P, US doesn't rank top 30 ttps://data.oecd.org/inequality/income-inequality.htm - )
We have less crime and much less violent deaths (5 times lower the rate of homicides https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/VC.IHR.PSRC.P5, https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26551975)
We have less prisoners (#6, US ranks last with over twice the amount of number 2, and 10 times as many per capita as us)
We have a longer life expectancy (81 years vs 78 years https://data.oecd.org/healthstat/life-expectancy-at-birth.htm
We have less government and corporate corruption (#1, US doesn't rank top 20 https://www.transparency.org/cpi2018)
We are ranked higher on forbes list as a better country to do business with (#7, US ranks #17 https://www.forbes.com/best-countries-for-business/list/#tab:overall)
We have a higher freedom ranking, including free speech and human rights (#10 on the Freedom House ranking, US ranks #58 - #6 on the CATO list, US ranks #17, https://www.businessinsider.com/cou...s-worth-noting-that-the-us-was-ranked-58th-28, https://object.cato.org/sites/cato....ex-files/human-freedom-index-2018-revised.pdf)

Isn't it crazy how we can both have stronger social safety nets, more education, less crime and still have equal or better business opportunity and more freedom? Pretty much all northern European countries rank above the US in most or all of these metrics. But wait, you have a bigger military and more rich people! Yay!


I so want what you guys have here in the states man. What a relief it would be to know that not a single child in my country was going without needed health care.

Imagine walking into a gas station here and seeing the face of some precious child on a jar with a note from the parents begging for money for a procedure that they won't get otherwise.....

Also my father was a union electrician in the 1980's, a proud man who would never take charity from anyone. My mother got cancer and the treatment, even with my dad's health insurance and my mothers too, who worked for a hospital, bankrupted them. They lost everything and that while trying to hold the family together.

It was a terrible time in my life.
 
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imrs.php


Democracy = following the people's will

Comrade Bern = the most democratic candidate out there.

PS: We've heard this capital exodus scare a thousand times before. The latest was in the minimum wage increase arguments. But several states and cities have gone ahead increased it to $13 or $15/hour anyway and guess what, no Soviet Union yet! WTF???

Stalin would love Amazon inc. All efficiency, no humanity.
 
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