Elections 2020 Democratic Primary Thread v4

[PolishHeadlock2]

How can biden get away with this? The media is in “protect Biden at all costs” mode right now.



Gets irate at a town hall and tells America voter he see why his wife left him. Ouch.

Lol this is why Trump is scared of Joe

 

[Sketch]

How can biden get away with this? The media is in “protect Biden at all costs” mode right now.



Gets irate at a town hall and tells America voter he see why his wife left him. Ouch.

That's hilarious. Can't wait for him and Trump during the debates lol.

 

[HockeyBjj]

More than half of China extends shutdown over virus

The majority of China's growth hubs have delayed the resumption of business by at least a week as the country tries to control the spread of a new coronavirus that has killed more than 200 people.

As of Saturday afternoon, at least 21 provinces, municipalities and other regions in China have told businesses not to resume work before Feb. 10 at the earliest. That's according to publicly available statements from the governments.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cn...shutdown-accounting-for-80percent-of-gdp.html


This is just the beginning. Air traffic is going to plummet. Throw Brexit into the mix, and a 2008 global recession is in the works.

There is no way they have a 50 million person quarantine and demanding businesses shut down for two weeks over 200 deaths

Sorry for the side tract in the dem primary thread with Iowa right around the corner, but that's first I've seen of business shutdowns.

 

[Deleted member 499399]

How can biden get away with this? The media is in “protect Biden at all costs” mode right now.



Gets irate at a town hall and tells America voter he see why his wife left him. Ouch.

https://politics.theonion.com/you-re-a-piece-of-shit-and-i-hope-everyone-like-you-di-1841363666

 

[PolishHeadlock2]

 

[LuchaBear]

Because it's used to mean different things, and the meaning that anyone has in mind tends to be unclear at any time.



But the thing is, you're framing it (and I think a lot of Bernie's biggest fans think of it) in terms of "admit that there's this big conspiracy or refuse to admit it even though you know it's true," when a lot of people really don't think it is true or even plausible. And I think that's where a lot of the notorious nastiness of Bernie fans comes from--they really can't see that other people have good intentions and are honest but just think that they are wrong (nevermind getting them to accept that other people might be right).

And to head off any motte and bailey game, I'll say that obviously there are people who oppose Bernie's candidacy, just as there are people who oppose every candidate's candidacy. But there's no concerted effort by the MSM or whatever one thinks of as an establishment to take him down or something. I think that truly is ridiculous.



See above. It's impossible to have a productive discussion if one party to it believes that their position is both unquestionably true and not in need of any rational defense (i.e., anything other than some form of "fuck you if you don't admit we're right!").

I see the establishment as a convenient product of this political system. Numerous groups of people who work with the two parties in many capacities, from special interests groups, donors, celebrities, drug companies to political analysts. It's not a concerted effort but more like friends with many benefits and many who are just doing their jobs.

Add a third party or a Bernie who goes completely against this system which they're all so engulfed in and what happens?





I get shit happens but this is obviously deliberate. It's happened way too many times to not pay any attention to. You can't ignore or refute each and every one of them..




Now I've brought this up before to you on two occasions and you never replied. Third time a charm?

Conveniently combining super delegates with pledged delegates even though they're not official serves what purpose? To dupe the millions of potential voters into thinking that Bernie stands no chance.. unless you want to tell me that the majority of American voters understood what Super Delegates were and that their votes weren't official yet, that's not realistic. This was a well used tactic and it may have done a great job in taking away any motivation to vote for Bernie. I'm not saying that Super Delegates should not have been brought up but the way it was presented was an effort to confuse.

This is what happens when someone isn't part of the "establishment."




So well you continue to focus on Bernie's hated supporters just like the "Establishment" has been doing already and seem to act like Bernie needs to acknowledge them, it's hard to take this view seriously when at the same time you don't even have it in you to acknowledge any of this.. I can get not being into his policies and how he thinks things can get done but this is like not living in the same reality.

It is what it is

 

[Fawlty]

Hoo lawd ^^^ That's a gem. The idea that reporting the known delegate count is in itself a media conspiracy against Sanders, made even worse because the reporting wasn't dumbed down and explained enough for potential Sanders voters to grock it.

 

[franklinstower]

Yeah I think we need to be careful about this rhetoric mate. No need to deify the man, although I know that you're coming from a good place. It's just a tad too similar to Trump being "chosen by god" and all.

Anyways, we're getting real close to Iowa now! Very exciting to see what's going to happen.

I meant the statement to be provocative.

You misunderstand the use of the term Sano. I did not say he was a "Prophet". However he is a "prophetic figure" with "prophetic gifts". Any person who leads and transforms a mass of people for the better can be said to have prophetic gifts-- even if they themselves are an atheist.

Bernie is the strong outsider who can look into a world that he is not a part of "the establishment" and see what those wrapped up in it cannot see, he has the courage to stand against that powerful tide, face ridicule and exclusion long enough for his ideas to catch on and begin to transform the way people view things-- in this case policy on economics, education and such in favor of the ordinary and lowly.

That is the definition of a person using prophetic gifts.


No God intended here.

 

[LuchaBear]

Hoo lawd ^^^ That's a gem. The idea that reporting the known delegate count is in itself a media conspiracy against Sanders, made even worse because the reporting wasn't dumbed down and explained enough for potential Sanders voters to grock it.

"The way the media has been reporting this is incorrect." Former chair of the D.N.C



Is that another gem?



Yaa... the American people are in fact "dumbed down" already and this was used against them because of that. It doesn't neccessary have to be Bernie supporters but also undecided and first time voters.

Again, what purpose did they have to combine the delegates in that way at that time?

 

[LuchaBear]

Here's another gem @Fawlty

https://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/07/us/politics/07campaign.html

Mrs. Clinton had the overall lead of delegates and so-called superdelegates — Democrats who are governors, senators and party leaders, according to an analysis by The New York Times. Mrs. Clinton had 892 delegates and Mr. Obama 716; the Democratic nomination requires support from 2,025 delegates. The Times counts only delegates that have been officially selected and are bound by their preferences.

So it looks like this "dumbing down" was ok for voters when their choices were Obama and Clinton..

 

[Sano]

Hoo lawd ^^^ That's a gem. The idea that reporting the known delegate count is in itself a media conspiracy against Sanders, made even worse because the reporting wasn't dumbed down and explained enough for potential Sanders voters to grock it.

Superdelegates clearly influence the view of the voting public because they change the perception of who is the most viable candidate. Putting aside that superdelegates in and of themselves undermine the democratic voting.

I meant the statement to be provocative.

You misunderstand the use of the term Sano. I did not say he was a "Prophet". However he is a "prophetic figure" with "prophetic gifts". Any person who leads and transforms a mass of people for the better can be said to have prophetic gifts-- even if they themselves are an atheist.

Bernie is the strong outsider who can look into a world that he is not a part of "the establishment" and see what those wrapped up in it cannot see, he has the courage to stand against that powerful tide, face ridicule and exclusion long enough for his ideas to catch on and begin to transform the way people view things-- in this case policy on economics, education and such in favor of the ordinary and lowly.

That is the definition of a person using prophetic gifts.


No God intended here.

Fair enough. I'm still not comfortable with the term and think it could easily lead to a misunderstanding, but that's really a minor issue to disagree on.

 

[LuchaBear]

Released Emails Suggest the D.N.C. Derided the Sanders Campaign:
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/23/us/politics/dnc-emails-sanders-clinton.html


DNC members discuss rules change to stop Sanders at convention:
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/31/dnc-superdelegates-110083




But guys, we need to talk about those Bernie bros <Lmaoo>

 

[dissectingaorticaneurysm]

The thought of Bloomberg winning the nomination and battling it out against Trump to decide who is America's favorite NYC billionaire is straight out of a reality show nightmare.

 

[Sano]

The thought of Bloomberg winning the nomination and battling it out against Trump to decide who is America's favorite NYC billionaire is straight out of a reality show nightmare.

 

[PolishHeadlock2]

The thought of Bloomberg winning the nomination and battling it out against Trump to decide who is America's favorite NYC billionaire is straight out of a reality show nightmare.

Only one is a real Billionaire

 

[Metusalemi]

That's just Trump doing his branding.

Also. That guys name is too close to Jonathan Haidt. He should leave the psychoanalysing to the professionals.

 

[Jack V Savage]

I get shit happens but this is obviously deliberate. It's happened way too many times to not pay any attention to. You can't ignore or refute each and every one of them.

I've pointed out the issue here before. In 2020, there's a huge volume of media out there, and someone with enough time on their hands can pile up anecdotes to make any case. If someone is actually interested in knowing the truth, rather than just producing propaganda for rubes, they need to look at systematic data. I understand that it's an uphill battle trying to convince people who are passionate about something to try to avoid confirmation bias, though.

Now I've brought this up before to you on two occasions and you never replied. Third time a charm?

I don't recall any previous conversations with you, but sometimes if I don't recognize someone, I don't read notifications from them.

Conveniently combining super delegates with pledged delegates even though they're not official serves what purpose?

To represent the state of the race. Either choice (combine them or don't) is defensible and the best one isn't obvious. It doesn't mean that there's some kind of conspiracy or bad intention if they make one rather than the other. Chill out. Furthermore, if there's one thing I wish that partisans of any stripe could get their heads around, it's that polls, predictions, or presentations showing X beating Y A) don't necessarily help X in an actual election and B) aren't perceived by the media to help X in an actual election. Every election, there are ridiculous arguments where backers of the candidate that is behind think that the MSM and/or polling agencies are conspiring against their candidate by showing them trailing.

This is what happens when someone isn't part of the "establishment."

You don't think a former mayor, who spent 12 years in the House of Representatives and 13 in the Senate and is a millionaire is part of the "establishment"? I think that goes back to the issue of the fluid definition of "the establishment."

So well you continue to focus on Bernie's hated supporters just like the "Establishment" has been doing already and seem to act like Bernie needs to acknowledge them, it's hard to take this view seriously when at the same time you don't even have it in you to acknowledge any of this.. I can get not being into his policies and how he thinks things can get done but this is like not living in the same reality.

It is what it is

The odd thing about this is that I don't particularly dislike his policies (no more than the other candidates') or how he gets things done. I just disagree with some stuff his hardcore supporters say, and they simply don't have it in them to understand that good people who are intelligent and well-informed can nevertheless not agree with them about everything. It's sad, really.

 

[b34stmode]

Only one is a real Billionaire

How is Trump not a real billionaire? He is worth over 3 billion.

 

[franklinstower]

Yeah I think we need to be careful about this rhetoric mate. No need to deify the man, although I know that you're coming from a good place. It's just a tad too similar to Trump being "chosen by god" and all.

Anyways, we're getting real close to Iowa now! Very exciting to see what's going to happen.

Your post got a lot of likes and you and I are freinds but I cannot relate at all to the fear of using certain language. Lately the left has begun trying to censor a lot of speech I suppose in fear of Trump winning ultimately. I get that, but I think it is overblown and, well, fearful.

I cannot see Bernie as any less of a prophetic figure than Martin Luther King was in his day.

 

[Happy Man]

Hoo lawd ^^^ That's a gem. The idea that reporting the known delegate count is in itself a media conspiracy against Sanders, made even worse because the reporting wasn't dumbed down and explained enough for potential Sanders voters to grock it.

you guys see why I call fawlty and jack the resident sherdog establishment shills?

and I still think they may be the same person.

You get it sanders supporters? You’re dumb. DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUM

Now vote for the establishment candidate as you’re told.