Elections 2020 Democratic Primary Thread: The Announcements

[HereticBD]

It's just nuts that anyone believes this. No major-party candidate has been more hated by the MSM than Clinton in my lifetime. Gore's the only one who was close.

<Lmaoo>

 

[Happy Man]

It's just nuts that anyone believes this. No major-party candidate has been more hated by the MSM than Clinton in my lifetime. Gore's the only one who was close.

Such a hack jack.

Either you are lying(which I think) or you have lost your mind.

 

[Happy Man]

Warren, Bernie, Gabbard>>>. The rest of the field is like choosing a new pair of khakis. Not very interesting, but still better than Trump shirtless overall's.

Pretty confident it's Bernie's year.

USA: Swerving guardrail to guardrail since 2000.

My ranks of who I would want are in order
Tulsi
Yang
Mayor Pete
Bernie

The rest can be hurled into the sun.

Remember that Schultz is out there, promising a 3rd party spoiler run if he candidate is too far left.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Laughable.

I remember seeing articles with fake statistics arguing that the media was more positive towards Trump than Gillary. People so desperate to believe that even trash tier pseudo science would be glommed onto.

No, it's completely true. "Fake statistics" in the WR = numbers that disprove your preferred narrative.

I wish I could introduce nutters to people who actually work in the MSM. You guys would see that you have a LOT more in common than you think. For example: a huge preference for candidates who are able to effectively brand themselves as "outsiders," bothsidesism, deep cynicism about the process.

 

[JonesBones]

Lack of experience is massively overrated for president IMO.

In many ways it’s more akin to being the king of England ... your job is symbolic engagement. Not to be policy master. There are 10 trillion policy masters for hire. Technical competence in policy is vastly overrated. It’s like speaking Spanish. Useful, yes, but there’s like 900 million people who can fill that need for you.

Yeah, and we got ladies on the view telling the guy who built Starbucks from the ground up that business is different than government and he is unqualified. lol. If this is true, why do so many politicians go back and forth between corporate boards and politics so fluidly?

I mean, what did Al Gore do after losing the election? Got on the Board of Apple before the Iboom and made fuckin bank. Poor him.

 

[Zazen]

1. Bernie
2. Sherrod
3. Warren
4. Klobuchar

The rest can suck my big commie balls.

You agree with Bernie on reparations for blacks? That shit is gonna lose him the election.

 

[Trotsky]

Lack of experience is massively overrated for president IMO.

In many ways it’s more akin to being the king of England ... your job is symbolic engagement. Not to be policy master. There are 10 trillion policy masters for hire. Technical competence in policy is vastly overrated. It’s like speaking Spanish. Useful, yes, but there’s like 900 million people who can fill that need for you.

Well, you're describing two distinctly different things: experience and policy knowledge. While I would agree that being a policy won is unnecessary (although it is helpful, since it will prevent you making asinine statements or promises like the current POTUS has done and will do like "take the guns and do due process later"), relevant experience is very important in my opinion. Particularly, it's important that you have a knowledge of the federal lawmaking and law enforcing process, of the types of personalities involved in the executive and legislative branches, and on the realistic expectations for and consequences of executive actions.

In terms of experience, I'd say (1) Joe Biden, (2) Cory Booker, (3) Bernie Sanders, (4) Kamala Harris, and (5) John Hickenlooper are, in that order, head-and-shoulders above the rest. Biden has federal executive experience as VP and federal legislative experience. Booker has municipal executive experience and federal legislative experience. Sanders has municipal executive experience and federal legislative experience. Harris has state executive experience (though not as a head executive) and federal legislative experience. And Hickenlooper has municipal and state executive experience.

 

[BarryDillon]

Right now:

1. Bernie
2. Warren






3. Not Trump

 

[BarryDillon]

Bernie's taken a big hit with the Sirota hiring.

This is a nothing burger. The timeline shows that there is nothing wrong with what occurred.

A desperate smear against Bernie.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

 

[luckyshot]

Laughable.

I remember seeing articles with fake statistics arguing that the media was more positive towards Trump than Gillary. People so desperate to believe that even trash tier pseudo science would be glommed onto.

The majority of media coverage around Hillary focused on her e-mails. Trump coverage focused on his outrageous statements.

Overall, I think that was a very favorable exchange for Trump.

If the media had focused on platforms and policies, that would have been 1,000x better for Hillary.

 

[Deleted member 484047]

Remember that Schultz is out there, promising a 3rd party spoiler run if he candidate is too far left.

This is going to be the deciding factor. If he does pull a 3rd party stunt, he's gonna play a major spoiler. He wont win any states, but I bet he will pull enough voters in a few states to muck things up.

 

[BarryDillon]

The vast majority of media coverage around Hillary focused on her e-mails. Trump coverage focused on his outrageous statements.

Overall, I think that was a very favorable exchange for Trump.

If the media had focused on platforms and policies, that would have been 1,000x better for Hillary.

Agreed, but she was certainly given favorable coverage compared to Bernie in the Democratic Primary race.

 

[Jack V Savage]

This is a nothing burger. The timeline shows that there is nothing wrong with what occurred.

A desperate smear against Bernie.

Putting aside the timeline (I don't know your perspective there), I think one of Bernie's big failures last time was his inability to curb the crazies in his coalition. Bringing in Sirota shows that he didn't learn from that and he's actually making it worse.

 

[BarryDillon]

Putting aside the timeline (I don't know your perspective there), I think one of Bernie's big failures last time was his inability to curb the crazies in his coalition. Bringing in Sirota shows that he didn't learn from that and he's actually making it worse.

What did his "crazies" do last time that was so outrageous? I don't remember any particularly noteworthy instances of misconduct on his campaign.

Putting aside the sexual harassment claims made last year. Which I don't think you can blame Bernie for.

 

[Zankou]

No, it's completely true. "Fake statistics" in the WR = numbers that disprove your preferred narrative.

I wish I could introduce nutters to people who actually work in the MSM. You guys would see that you have a LOT more in common than you think.

95% of the people I associate with are liberal professionals, including MSM types. Commonality is hardly the issue... the issue is a seemingly impenetrable inability to engage in—or even vocalize—any critical thought.

It’s not hard of course to learn the inane mantras of political rectitude and intone them, as we build our social order in a harmonious accord. Particularly when you are a professional. But there are people who think this shambling group affirmation is a process of articulating truth. It never fails to astonish me. It’s like I’m sitting in a communist party meeting, and then after we do our chants it turns out that some people actually believe it—it’s not just a ritual. They think that this is how the world actually works. Like when you pray to St. Anthony, they think there is really this guy in a metaphysical reality who is hearing them and listening.

This always fascinates me about human beings ... the desire and ability to believe in the most ridiculous things imaginable. Believing the media wasn’t more hostile towards Trump than Hillary isn’t quite Ancient Aliens territory, but it’s close.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Agreed, but she was certainly given favorable coverage compared to Bernie in the Democratic Primary race.

She was given *more* coverage than Bernie, as a presumed lock. But the coverage she got was far more negative in tone, at times ridiculously so (like when the NYT did a whole story on a new gesture that she was supposedly trying, when it turned out that she'd be photographed making the gesture many times over the years).

 

[Jack V Savage]

95% of the people I associate with are liberal professionals, including MSM types. Commonality is hardly the issue... the issue is a seemingly impenetrable inability to engage in—or even vocalize—any critical thought.

Sure, Zank, people at the top of the profession are unable to engage in critical thought, and that leads them to conspire against your preferred candidates and in favor of Clinton.

This always fascinates me about human beings ... the desire and ability to believe in the most ridiculous things imaginable. Believing the media wasn’t more hostile towards Trump than Hillary isn’t quite Ancient Aliens territory, but it’s close.

Funny, I think that you believing that the media was more hostile toward Trump than toward Hillary is about signalling that you're in the club to nutters here. How would you explain the MSM coverage of either Clinton's email thing or the DNC hack? It doesn't fit anywhere in your narrative.

 

[spamking]

It's just nuts that anyone believes this. No major-party candidate has been more hated by the MSM than Clinton in my lifetime. Gore's the only one who was close.

If how things went previously = "most hated candidate in your lifetime" I'd hate to see how she was treated if the MSM truly did hate her . . .

 

[Jack V Savage]

I'd hate to see how she was treated if the MSM truly did hate her . . .

They'd cover a minor violation of State Dept. information security protocols as the crime of the century, constantly suggest or outright claim that she's inauthentic (something that they wouldn't be in a position to judge for anyone), run stories falsely exonerating her opponent of shady or criminal activity, etc.