Elections 2020 Democratic Primary Thread: The Announcements

[Jack V Savage]

What's your take on the MSM+bipartisan attack on that Somali congresswoman? I don't think that would have happened in a world without the powerful Jewish lobby and Jewish media influence. In general, I think that interest group and investor funding do influence politicians and MSM, respectively.

Well, I think leftists generally see money behind all outcomes they dislike and that is stupid but not anti-Semitic. It does carry a different tone when the subject is Jews, but I'll buy that nothing more than ordinary idiocy was behind it.

You're wrong about the MSM and mostly wrong about politics.

 

[Limit Smasher]

Your friend is retarded. You're better off leaving him out, if he even exists.

This post is the absolute calling card of a man without friends.

 

[waiguoren]

@Jack V Savage

I was just thinking about your claims that Gabbard lacks sufficient qualifications/experience to deserve the nomination.

Wouldn't Robert O'Rourke be even worse according to your standard? He went to a higher-ranked university than Gabbard, but I agree with @Trotsky that this is not important at all unless we're talking about graduate/professional school. O'Rourke lacks Gabbard's military experience plus Middle East deployment, which are huge assets in the eyes of some voters. Gabbard has been elected to the US House 4x, O'Rourke 3x. O'Rourke started some kind of internet services company but it's not at all clear to me that the company has been successful. Otherwise looks like he's done odd jobs, played in bands, and failed in a Senate bid. Also has an arrest record that Gabbard doesn't.

 

[Jack V Savage]

@Jack V Savage

I was just thinking about your claims that Gabbard lacks sufficient qualifications/experience to deserve the nomination.

Wouldn't Robert O'Rourke be even worse according to your standard? He went to a higher-ranked university than Gabbard, but I agree with @Trotsky that this is not important at all unless we're talking about graduate/professional school. O'Rourke lacks Gabbard's military experience plus Middle East deployment, which are huge assets in the eyes of some voters. Gabbard has been elected to the US House 4x, O'Rourke 3x. O'Rourke started some kind of internet services company but it's not at all clear to me that the company has been successful. Otherwise looks like he's done odd jobs, played in bands, and failed in a Senate bid. Also has an arrest record that Gabbard doesn't.

You've already noted the advantages that he has (education, business career, music--also writer and publisher, etc.). I've also noted that I don't care about military experience unless it's really high-level. So what's really the question? Beto's résumé is also too thin for my liking, and I also won't be voting for him in the primary, but it's not as bad as Gabbard's. Also, "huge assets in the eyes of some voters" really misses the point. As I've stated, my fear is not that Gabbard can't win a general election, but that she can win and would be very bad at the job, and that replacing Trump with another unethical, unintelligent, and unready president would be doubly damaging, in that it would greatly encourage the kind of extreme and toxic cynicism and bothsidesism that I see here regularly. We can and should expect exceptional people--in terms of knowledge, character, and intelligence (and all of that should be apparent from their résumés)--to be competing for the job. The target should be another Obama rather than a Trump of the left.

 

[TeTe]

So when does Oprah announce her candidacy?

 

[MilesAbove]

I am in agreement with Cody's Showdy TM C and R.... yes it's just a mission statement. yes it is broad and will be argued about and talked about and judged over and over on where it's concepts move throughout the next couple of years. But now there is something out there, and we're talking about it. Someone actually put something out there to argue about.

 

[Trotsky]

@waiguoren TKO R3 via @Jack V Savage putting the accent marks in "résumé."

 

[waiguoren]

You've already noted the advantages that he has (education, business career, music--also writer and publisher, etc.).

• So do you disagree with @Trotsky and me on the unimportance of brand names in undergraduate schooling?

• "Business career"...anything successful or all failures?

• Music...I've played in a lot of bands and I don't see that as any kind of qualification for being president.

• For military experience, define "high-level".

she can win and would be very bad at the job

What makes you think she would be "very bad at the job"?

 

[Jack V Savage]

@waiguoren TKO R3 via @Jack V Savage putting the accent marks in "résumé."

I'm not a fan of accent marks in general, but come on. You need them for résumé. Otherwise, it looks like re-ZOOM. I've many times not put them, but that's just laziness.

• So do you disagree with @Trotsky and me on the unimportance of brand names in undergraduate schooling?

• "Business career"...anything successful or all failures?

• Music...I've played in a lot of bands and I don't see that as any kind of qualification for being president.

• For military experience, define "high-level".

What makes you think she would be "very bad at the job"?

Unimportance to what? My view is that the good people at Columbia were kind enough to do some vetting of him for us. Let's not ignore that. Do I think he actually got a better education there than Gabbard did at HPU? Probably, yeah, but I agree that it's not certain, and that there are places to get a good education that aren't well-known. And his business career was enough to get him at least well-known in El Paso. It's fine if you don't consider writing and songwriting to be indicative of anything valuable. I do. Likewise, I get that some people think that the Army reserves are a qualifier, and I don't. I'm clarifying my thinking, not trying to get you to value things that you don't value.

Her lack of character, intelligence, education, and preparation all make me think that she'd be very bad at the job. I don't think the default position is that someone would make a good president.

 

[Farmer Br0wn]

Also has an arrest record that Gabbard doesn't.

Beto's DUI will be his undoing.

If he can't be trusted to drive responsibly on our roads, then he certainly can't be trusted to wield the levers of power.

 

[Trotsky]

Beto's DUI will be his undoing.

If he can't be trusted to drive responsibly on our roads, then he certainly can't be trusted to wield the levers of power.

....there is literally a Republican Senator who not only was convicted of a DUI, but was convicted of a DUI while he was a US Senator and was reelected by 30 fucking points lol.

The only people who will summarily reject O'Rourke on that basis are Republican loyalists who are disingenuously just looking for an excuse.

 

[Farmer Br0wn]

....there is literally a Republican Senator who not only was convicted of a DUI, but was convicted of a DUI while he was a US Senator and was reelected by 30 fucking points lol.

The only people who will summarily reject O'Rourke on that basis are Republican loyalists who are disingenuously just looking for an excuse.

Senator =/= President

He can't be trusted with the highest Office of the land, if he can't even be trusted to drive on our roads safely and responsibly.

Nice failed attempt at deflection and minimization though!

 

[Jack V Savage]

....there is literally a Republican Senator who not only was convicted of a DUI, but was convicted of a DUI while he was a US Senator and was reelected by 30 fucking points lol.

The only people who will summarily reject O'Rourke on that basis are Republican loyalists who are disingenuously just looking for an excuse.

Someone who is OK with Trump being president is pretty much signalling that he has no real moral standards, that anyone with an R next to their name should be given any position, period. Someone could rape Farmer's mother right in front of him, and if he were a Republican, Farmer would help cover it up.

 

[waiguoren]

@kpt018

You liked that? Your standards have dropped, brah.

 

[Jack V Savage]

@kpt018

You liked that? Your standards have dropped, brah.

It's true, no? I think the fact that so many Americans are willing to support a guy like Trump is pretty sickening.

 

[waiguoren]

Unimportance to what? My view is that the good people at Columbia were kind enough to do some vetting of him for us.

"Vetting" of his high school accomplishments? That's so weak as to be totally insignificant, in my opinion.

Do I think he actually got a better education there than Gabbard did at HPU? Probably, yeah, but I agree that it's not certain, and that there are places to get a good education that aren't well-known

Agree.

And his business career was enough to get him at least well-known in El Paso.

Source?

It's fine if you don't consider writing and songwriting to be indicative of anything valuable. I do.

To repeat: I have played in bands and written songs. In no way is this a qualification for the presidency. I think if you're going to say you believe the opposite, you should at least sketch an argument for us.

I get that some people think that the Army reserves are a qualifier, and I don't.

She had a 12-month deployment to a war zone in the Middle East. You're well-aware it's not just "Army reserves". That service is less of a qualifier for the presidency than playing in a band and writing songs?

 

[kpt018]

@kpt018

You liked that? Your standards have dropped, brah.

Lol! Welcome back. Also, that comment was true. Farmer has zero moral high ground after shilling for Trump for the last 2 and a half years or so. And neither do any of his other people that support Trump after all the horrible shit he's done.

 

[waiguoren]

It's true, no? I think the fact that so many Americans are willing to support a guy like Trump is pretty sickening.

No, I think it's highly unlikely that

"Someone could rape Farmer's mother right in front of him, and if he were a Republican, Farmer would help cover it up."

as you wrote. Sickening stuff from you.

@kpt018

Trump has grown on me in multiple ways. Example: continuing to drive a hard line on the Afghanistan/Syria troop withdrawal despite massive opposition from advisers, much of the professional commentariat, and both major political parties.

 

[Farmer Br0wn]

No, I think it's highly unlikely that

"Someone could rape Farmer's mother right in front of him, and if he were a Republican, Farmer would help cover it up."

as you wrote. Sickening stuff from you.

@kpt018

The left has descended into some sick territory in the last two years.

It's no coincidence that they keep bringing up sick and deviant sexual behaviors. It reveals where their mind is at most of the day.

Sigmund Freud would have a field day with some of the posts in this very thread.

 

[ferrisjso]

I'm not a fan of accent marks in general, but come on. You need them for résumé. Otherwise, it looks like re-ZOOM. I've many times not put them, but that's just laziness.



Unimportance to what? My view is that the good people at Columbia were kind enough to do some vetting of him for us. Let's not ignore that. Do I think he actually got a better education there than Gabbard did at HPU? Probably, yeah, but I agree that it's not certain, and that there are places to get a good education that aren't well-known. And his business career was enough to get him at least well-known in El Paso. It's fine if you don't consider writing and songwriting to be indicative of anything valuable. I do. Likewise, I get that some people think that the Army reserves are a qualifier, and I don't. I'm clarifying my thinking, not trying to get you to value things that you don't value.

Her lack of character, intelligence, education, and preparation all make me think that she'd be very bad at the job. I don't think the default position is that someone would make a good president.

"Her lack of character, intelligence, education, and preparation all make me think that she'd be very bad at the job. I don't think the default position is that someone would make a good president."

Explain yourself. Tulsi has enough character moments to fill her own version of profiles of courage. But let's say I'm wrong, did you not have an issue with Hillary laughing about the rape of a little kid? Of course you wouldn't have an issue with her support of insurance companies slaughtering people, know you're all onboard that train.