Elections 2020 Democratic Primary Thread: The Announcements

[Jack V Savage]

I agree, but I don't agree that you consistently evince "philosophical views that lead in a certain direction consistently".

I disagree with your framing of the tax cut, but I agree with the broader point.

That would be another good example. Good thing it doesn't fit my specific case.

Do you have any examples of me changing my philosophical views or otherwise acting out of partisanship rather than simply disagreeing with you for philosophical reasons or because I believe the evidence or logic goes against your position?

How does the example I gave of your partisanship not apply to you?

Again, it seems to me that you're just making an accusation that you know to be false out of personal animosity or to compensate for your perceived reduction in status as a result of my winning our bet and multiple other arguments.

 

[Trotsky]

What's your evidence?

This exchange

Also not sure why you'd focus on "this exchange" when we have lots of data from @Jack V Savage indicating a lack of emotional control. In all my years here I've never come anywhere close to telling another poster to kill himself.

He's generally one of the drier posters here. And that comment to Cubo was a flippant throwaway insult. Your outrage would be more appropriate towards persons such as myself who actually mean that literally when they say it.

1) irrational animus toward Tulsi Gabbard. For example, he claimed that Robert O'Rourke is better qualified for the presidency than Gabbard in part because O'Rourke has played in a band....yet that band is responsible for some of the worst "music" you'll ever hear---so bad that literally no human would willingly listen to it except to laugh at it. A better argument is that the "music" disqualifies O'Rourke from the presidency.

I don't agree with him re Gabbard vs. O'Rourke. I do think Gabbard is less qualified than is optimal, but I don't think she's any less so than O'Rourke.

Also, your insistently calling Beto "Robert O'Rourke" just makes you look childish and identity politics-obsessed. It's unnecessary, irrelevant, and demeaning to gawk at the idea that a person of Irish-American descent was born into a Latino community and given a Latino nickname as a child, or to think a non-Latino must abandon their identity because they're white.

2) labeling as a "Breitbart conspiracy theory" a well-documented report about Hillary Clinton's corruption as Secretary of State

Don't feel like looking into that, so I'll just concede that he was super irrational and partisan in that exchange. You get 1 notch on your belt.

3) Repeated labeling of @SBJJ as being of "subnormal intellect"

The guy is hopelessly partisan and gets emotional when called out on it.

This is not true in my experience.

 

[Jack V Savage]

That it isn't good for all economic groups within a country. I think he is correct that it has an upwardly distributional effect on wages in the more developed countries and (some of my editorializing now) undermines worker organizing and economic democracy generally.

Hmm. Not sure I disagree with this. What would you think about "free trade benefits everyone to some degree but some more than others?" I'd endorse that.

 

[waiguoren]

@Jack V Savage

I cannot give you any more attention right now. Pregnant woman demands attention and is more deserving. She says I have been giving you way too much attention recently.

 

[Jack V Savage]

@Jack V Savage

I cannot give you any more attention right now. Pregnant woman demands attention and is more deserving. She says I have been giving you way too much attention recently.

OK. I'll just say that no matter how much time you spending looking, you will never be able to produce an example of partisanship from me (while I have provided an example of it from you, which I think is part of the reason you're accusing me of partisanship).

 

[kpt018]

@Jack V Savage

I cannot give you any more attention right now. Pregnant woman demands attention and is more deserving. She says I have been giving you way too much attention recently.

So you and your wife/gf are expecting? Congrats man.

Pregnant women are more important that nearly everything btw.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

That didn't work for some reason. What's the post #?

We must have different page settings. It's #1516.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

@Jack V Savage

I cannot give you any more attention right now. Pregnant woman demands attention and is more deserving. She says I have been giving you way too much attention recently.

Congrats? I'll assume yes.

 

[Trotsky]

So you and your wife/gf are expecting? Congrats man.

Pregnant women are more important that nearly everything btw.

Fuckin perverts

 

[kpt018]

Fuckin perverts

lol what was that about?

 

[Trotsky]

lol what was that about?

GTFO with your preggo fetishes

 

[waiguoren]

So you and your wife/gf are expecting? Congrats man.

Pregnant women are more important that nearly everything btw.

thanks

OK. I'll just say that no matter how much time you spending looking, you will never be able to produce an example of partisanship from me (while I have provided an example of it from you, which I think is part of the reason you're accusing me of partisanship).

disagree

 

[weed]

@Clippy GOT DIS

 

[Stoic1]

A long time ago Jack was wrong for the first time in his entire life. He would never admit it. So he decided he wasn't wrong.

This is Jack.

 

[PEB]

Tulsi Gabbard could be denied access to the debate stage if she does does not get at least 65,000 donations it's not based on amounts just donations so any amount but from 65,000 different people. She is facing a real chance she will not be on the stage.

 

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2020 Democrats’ progressive gamble is about to get real
Politco

Democrats’ embrace of sweeping progressive ideas like Medicare for All and the Green New Deal is about to get its first reality check on Capitol Hill — as both parties make huge bets about which message will sway voters in 2020.

For liberal Democrats, proposals to provide universal health care, combat climate change and create a fairer economy represent the kind of bold agenda they will need to unseat President Donald Trump, a candidate unafraid to make his own brash moves on trade and immigration. But Republicans are seizing on the same proposals to paint Democrats as socialist radicals, while trying to widen the ideological splits already emerging among Trump’s would-be challengers.

 

[Lead]

What Democrats running for president in 2020 have said about big tech
Business Insider

President Donald Trump has not been shy about sharing his views on tech companies, with frequent tweets alleging political bias at Google and tabloid-worthy attacks on Amazon founder Jeff Bezos. But what about his opponents in 2020?

Storied politicians like Senators Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren, who recently announced presidential bids, have already made well-documented criticisms on companies like Google, and Apple, while up-and-comers Senator Cory Booker and South Bend, Indiana Mayor Pete Buttigieg have been friendly with Facebookfounder Mark Zuckerberg.

As the list of hopeful Democratic presidential nominees grows, the debates about what to do with big tech will only become more contentious.

 

[Lead]

For 2020 Candidates, Smollett Story Shows 'Woke' Perils
Real Clear Politics

It was the perfect politically motivated crime, until the Chicago Police Department said it was not. Jussie Smollett, the openly gay star of the television show “Empire,” told Chicago police that two men assaulted him outside his apartment last month. The 36-year-old actor claimed the men beat him, poured a chemical on him, and wrapped a noose around his neck. The attackers, Smollett would later say, were screaming, “This is MAGA country!”

Why did he think he was targeted? Racist homophobia whipped up by President Trump.


The left largely agreed, and Smollett was made an overnight martyr by celebrities, many in the media, and politicians who held up his attack as a microcosm of everything wrong with Trump’s America. Then the story unraveled, according to police.

 

[Lead]

Medicare for All, or Medicare for More? Here’s where the Democratic presidential candidates stand on health care
CNBC

Even in this early stage of the 2020 race, nearly all of President Donald Trump’s would-be opponents have staked out their support for expanding health-care coverage.

But not all of their proposals are alike. And while many of the 2020 challengers say they want to implement some form of “Medicare for All” or “universal health care,” worlds of difference emerge in the details of what exactly those phrases mean in practice.


Public support is just as variable, depending on how the policy is presented — and to whom.

 

[Lead]

Looks like 538 is saying Bernie will have a hard time in 2020 than 2016. I would think with a crowded field, theres pros and cons to it but this article mostly goes into the anti-Clinton votes and whether they still carry over to Bernie in 2020.

How Bernie’s 2020 Map Might Change Without The #NeverHillary Vote
FiveThirtyEight

Bernie Sanders picked up support in some unusual places during his 2016 campaign to be the Democratic presidential nominee. The self-described democratic socialist won states such as Oklahoma and Nebraska that are typically associated with right-of-center policy views. He also did surprisingly well with self-described conservative voters — granted, a small-ish part

About 16 percent of the Democratic primary electorate — picking up almost a third of their votes. Perhaps less surprisingly given that Sanders isn’t technically a Democrat, he performed really well with independent voters, winning them by roughly a 2:1 margin over Hillary Clinton.