2017 - 2nd warmest year recorded, Trump mocks AGW

[Devout Pessimist]

If you claim there is a dogmatic cult pushing climate change, what do you call people like yourself and Harper hard righters who banished climate science and scientists? That sounds pretty culty to me. You guys pull out this shit line all the time about scientists not getting grants etc if they dont lie or something, its the dumbest argument ever.

You can argue over policy, thats fine, but make sure you make an argument when big oil gets your money as well.

If you are calling climate change " trendy dogma" you're an idiot. I find it amusing the people who do not believe in it is the extreme right in USA and Canada, nowhere else on the planet are people this crazy or controlled by corporations .

Climate Change is the latest social justice fad for people to get self-righteous and smug about, but not take seriously, just like activism, white privilege, gender pronouns, muh oppression and so on. I see a lot of high-horse riding from people who love to brag about how they are on the side of science and acknowledge that climate change exists. I see a lot of finger pointing and mockery directed at those who are not hip with the times because they are not jumping on the trendy climate change bandwagon. I see a lot of politicians traveling the world to attend a bunch of bullshit climate change meetings where they sign some documents and congratulate themselves for being environmentally friendly.

What I do not see is people going beyond running their mouths and riding their moral high-horses to make the hard sacrifices necessary to reduce their carbon-footprints. They travel the world taking endless high-polluting flights, they consume products made from cheap labor and shipped in from around the world, they buy homes in the suburbs that were built over wetlands and green-spaces. At most these people will support some questionable government tax and meaningless international climate change accords.

If people are serious about change, then they would live a more agrarian lifestyle where they traveled far less, consumed far less while focusing on the local economy and even lived on a small farm where they raised their own meat and vegetables. Most people do not want to change their convenient "modern" lifestyle and live a life where they have to sacrifice convenience. Instead they will be content to be self-righteous and point fingers at those who are not hip with the latest environmentalism fad.

 

[AGGAMEMNON66]

Weird, in Chicagoland we just tied a record that goes back to the 30's for most consecutive days under 20 degrees. It's been a super cold ass winter so far here.

 

[Devout Pessimist]

Weird, in Chicagoland we just tied a record that goes back to the 30's for most consecutive days under 20 degrees. It's been a super cold ass winter so far here.

It has been the same thing in Canada. There have been record minus twenty or colder cold streaks in a few provinces.

 

[AGGAMEMNON66]

Climate Change is the latest social justice fad for people to get self-righteous and smug about, but not take seriously, just like activism, white privilege, gender pronouns, muh oppression and so on. I see a lot of high-horse riding from people who love to brag about how they are on the side of science and acknowledge that climate change exists. I see a lot of finger pointing and mockery directed at those who are not hip with the times because they are not jumping on the trendy climate change bandwagon. I see a lot of politicians traveling the world to attend a bunch of bullshit climate change meetings where they sign some documents and congratulate themselves for being environmentally friendly.

What I do not see is people going beyond running their mouths and riding their moral high-horses to make the hard sacrifices necessary to reduce their carbon-footprints. They travel the world taking endless high-polluting flights, they consume products made from cheap labor and shipped in from around the world, they buy homes in the suburbs that were built over wetlands and green-spaces. At most these people will support some questionable government tax and meaningless international climate change accords.

If people are serious about change, then they would live a more agrarian lifestyle where they traveled far less, consumed far less while focusing on the local economy and even lived on a small farm where they raised their own meat and vegetables. Most people do not want to change their convenient "modern" lifestyle and live a life where they have to sacrifice convenience. Instead they will be content to be self-righteous and point fingers at those who are not hip with the latest environmentalism fad.

 

[AGGAMEMNON66]

It has been the same thing in Canada. There have been record minus twenty or colder cold streaks in a few provinces.

I feel like stats get cherry picked in order to fit a narrative when it comes to a topic like this.


Look, global warming is happening. Exactly why it's happening and how much can humans actually do about it is where the argument begins imo.

 

[Pickle Rick]

I love when morons say dumb things like "it's really cold in winter so climate change is bullshit" makes me feel all warm inside at the level of stupidity

 

[Voodoo_Child906]

It has been the same thing in Canada. There have been record minus twenty or colder cold streaks in a few provinces.

@AGGAMEMNON66

Do you two understand the difference between climate and weather? Do you also consider that other parts of the world are blazing right now, my friend in Australia is facing +120 F or +49 today.

 

[Devout Pessimist]

I feel like stats get cherry picked in order to fit a narrative when it comes to a topic like this.


Look, global warming is happening. Exactly why it's happening and how much can humans actually do about it is where the argument begins imo.

I completely agree. I think humans have to do a far better job caring for the planet. We need more than politicians traveling the world to sign meaningless documents they will not follow and mindless, smug, self-righteous "muh climate change" fundamentalists who only run their mouths if things are going to change. People will have to make sacrifices and give up some of the luxuries they enjoy if they want things to change. The so-called modern lifestyle is not sustainable.

Richard Weaver said it best:

[T]he attitude toward nature…is a matter so basic to one’s outlook or philosophy of life that we often tend to overlook it. Yet if we do overlook it, we find there are many things coming later which we cannot straighten out…. [N]ature [is] something which is given and something which is finally inscrutable. This is equivalent to saying that…it [is] the creation of a Creator. There follows from this attitude an important deduction, which is that man has a duty of veneration toward nature and the natural. Nature is not something to be fought, conquered and changed according to any human whims. To some extent, of course, it has to be used. But what man should seek in regard to nature is not —a complete dominion but a modus vivendi that is, a manner of living together, a coming to terms with something that was here before our time and will be here after it. The important corollary of this doctrine, it seems to me, is that man is not the lord of creation, with an omnipotent will, but a part of creation, with limitations, who ought to observe a decent humility in the face of the inscrutable.

source:

Richard Weaver and Piety Towards Nature

 

[Devout Pessimist]

@AGGAMEMNON66

Do you two understand the difference between climate and weather? Do you also consider that other parts of the world are blazing right now, my friend in Australia is facing +120 F or +49 today.

 

[BearGrounds]

Climate Change is the latest social justice fad for people to get self-righteous and smug about, but not take seriously, just like activism, white privilege, gender pronouns, muh oppression and so on. I see a lot of high-horse riding from people who love to brag about how they are on the side of science and acknowledge that climate change exists. I see a lot of finger pointing and mockery directed at those who are not hip with the times because they are not jumping on the trendy climate change bandwagon. I see a lot of politicians traveling the world to attend a bunch of bullshit climate change meetings where they sign some documents and congratulate themselves for being environmentally friendly.

What I do not see is people going beyond running their mouths and riding their moral high-horses to make the hard sacrifices necessary to reduce their carbon-footprints. They travel the world taking endless high-polluting flights, they consume products made from cheap labor and shipped in from around the world, they buy homes in the suburbs that were built over wetlands and green-spaces. At most these people will support some questionable government tax and meaningless international climate change accords.

If people are serious about change, then they would live a more agrarian lifestyle where they traveled far less, consumed far less while focusing on the local economy and even lived on a small farm where they raised their own meat and vegetables. Most people do not want to change their convenient "modern" lifestyle and live a life where they have to sacrifice convenience. Instead they will be content to be self-righteous and point fingers at those who are not hip with the latest environmentalism fad.

 

[Voodoo_Child906]

That's because you don't understand the difference between the two...

 

[Shael]

I love when morons say dumb things like "it's really cold in winter so climate change is bullshit" makes me feel all warm inside at the level of stupidity

How can people be starving if I had a sandwich during lunch?

 

[Devout Pessimist]

That's because you don't understand the difference between the two...

Why don't you comment on what I posted in post #68?

 

[Voodoo_Child906]

Why don't you comment on what I posted in post #68?

Why don't you answer my question first?

 

[Devout Pessimist]

Why don't you answer my question first?

Climate is the average weather pattern measured over a period of time.

This graph explains it quite well:

 

[Voodoo_Child906]

Climate is the average weather pattern measured over a period of time.

This graph explains it quite well:

Please try again with dictionary definitions, in your own words. Thanks

 

[Devout Pessimist]

@AGGAMEMNON66

Do you two understand the difference between climate and weather? Do you also consider that other parts of the world are blazing right now, my friend in Australia is facing +120 F or +49 today.

You mean it is hot in places where it is summer and cold in places where it is winter?

We need politicians in private jets flying around the world to sign something meaningless and come up with a new tax and green scheme immediately. Leo DiCaprio needs to take a private yacht to a press conference to lecture us all on how terrible humanity is. Progressives need to get on their high-horses and start finger pointing. Al Gore needs to make another alarmist movie. Muh climate change.

 

[Voodoo_Child906]

You mean it is hot in places where it is summer and cold in places where it is winter?

We need politicians in private jets flying around the world to sign something meaningless and come up with a new tax and green scheme immediately. Leo DiCaprio needs to take a private yacht to a press conference to lecture us all on how terrible humanity is. Progressives need to get on their high-horses and start finger pointing. Al Gore needs to make another alarmist movie.

If you understand weather vs climate than why would you make such a silly statement like "There's been cold streaks in a few provinces". What does that have to do with the climate when the average temperature for the world is the 2nd hottest recorded?

 

[Devout Pessimist]

If you understand weather vs climate than why would you make such a silly statement like "There's been cold streaks in a few provinces". What does that have to do with the climate when the average temperature for the world is the 2nd hottest recorded?

You are missing the point I am trying to make in here. The "muh Climate Change" fear mongering is not effective. It has mainly led to a bunch of green schemes, smug finger pointing and self-congratulations. A more effective way of getting people to care about the environment is to point out the importance of more concrete things like clean air, clean water, healthy forests, healthy animals, conservation and preservation. This has to be done at a more local level because people are more prone to appreciate a situation closer to home. As I have already stated in this thread, there has to be more reverence towards the natural world. For most people the idea of climate change is too abstract to make them care. They need to care about something closer to home at the local level.

I will requote Roger Scruton:

The problem arises because the agenda has been set by the globalisers. Global problems, we are told, require global solutions, and global solutions are trans-national solutions, involving the loss of sovereignty and the surrender to treaties that tie our hands. There may be reason to fear what is happening. But much more important for the activists is the political use to which that fear can be put – which is to destroy national sovereignty and to exert a top-down control by the self-appointed experts over the ordinary activities of mankind.

Moreover, by concentrating on climate change the activists have managed to distract attention from the many other environmental problems that could be, and often have been, solved by people acting in the conservative spirit...

The solution is not automatically to call on the state to intervene but first to look for the social mechanisms that cause people to bear the costs of what they do.

Source:
Conservatism and the Environment

 

[Devout Pessimist]

If you understand weather vs climate than why would you make such a silly statement like "There's been cold streaks in a few provinces". What does that have to do with the climate when the average temperature for the world is the 2nd hottest recorded?

Next year or a few years down the road could be the coldest average temperature ever recorded. What will people say then?