2017 - 2nd warmest year recorded, Trump mocks AGW

[Voodoo_Child906]

I haven't verified the numbers myself but it's being reported that 2017 was the 2nd warmest year on record by the Copernicus Climate Change Service

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...cord-after-sizzling-2016-report-idUSKBN1ET1JF

and NASA

https://www.theguardian.com/environ...d-without-an-el-nino-thanks-to-global-warming

As per usual, Trump sardonically mocks AGW because he doesn't understand the difference between climate and weather



So what is going on with this temperature trend:

1) Fake news?
2) Globalist conspiracy with cooked data from crooked scientists?
3) Not enough data?
4) Just a natural cycle?
5) Ya ok it's happening but it's still America first... MAGA Damn it!!

2018 will most likely be a little cooler because of La Nina but for deniers is the trend clear now?

 

[luckyshot]

The environment... pfft... you sound like a communist.

 

[oldshadow]

Even I know the difference between weather and climate.

Trends take decade's to have any real meaning.

And that is suspect when you try and chart cycles.

 

[Voodoo_Child906]

Even I know the difference between weather and climate.

Trends take decade's to have any real meaning.

And that is suspect when you try and chart cycles.

At least on this topic you're more informed than our President. How many years or decades would be sufficient for this trend to have meaning?

 

[oldshadow]

At least on this topic you're more informed than our President. How many years or decades would be sufficient for this trend to have meaning?

I'm not sure because I hear different thing from different experts.

I would say 50 to maybe 75 years could give you some idea.

We know a lot of things effect climate. The sun being the biggest factor.

The sun could send us into a ice age next week.

 

[waiguoren]

As with all things, let's keep a sense of perspective.

The surface records go back about 120 years, but beyond 30 years ago you're dealing with highly uncertain and error-prone data.

The earth is estimated to be 4,500,000,000 years old.

 

[Voodoo_Child906]

I'm not sure because I hear different thing from different experts.

I would say 50 to maybe 75 years could give you some idea.

We know a lot of things effect climate. The sun being the biggest factor.

The sun could send us into a ice age next week.

I agree that solar activity and a big geological event like a super volcano eruption could change everything but the scientific consensus for man made global warming is clear

https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/

Where did you hear that the trend isn't clear yet?

 

[oldshadow]

I agree that solar activity and a big geological event like a super volcano eruption could change everything but the scientific consensus for man made global warming is clear

https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/

Where did you hear that the trend isn't clear yet?

Didn't say it wasn't warming or that man doesn't have an effect. The question is how much is man's effect and how long will the warming cycle last.

And just for information pollution is bad and we should work toward reducing it .

 

[Necromantic]

Arctic Cold Setting Dozens of Daily Records in the Northeast, Midwest Through Veterans Day
By Brian Donegan
November 11 2017 12:00 PM EDT

Damn you global warming! I am fucking freezing.


Also
Two-thirds of the state record high temperatures in the U.S. were recorded before 1955. More than half were recorded from 1921-1934. None has been recorded since 2003

Yeah, I know this is the USA only . . . seems like the ungodly are getting their little taste of hell.
Deal with it you unrepentant sinners!!!!

 

[nostradumbass]

So not as warm as the year before it? Am I supposed to be alarmed that we're going to be a raging inferno if the gov't doesn't take over the energy industry?

 

[K1levelgrappler]

Scorch the earth to own the libs

 

[KILL KILL]

As with all things, let's keep a sense of perspective.

The surface records go back about 120 years, but beyond 30 years ago you're dealing with highly uncertain and error-prone data.

The earth is estimated to be 4,500,000,000 years old.

That's simply not true. There are numerous methods to track temp records dating back millions of years. Ice core samples are one such method.

 

[RerouteToRemain]

3) Not enough data?
4) Just a natural cycle?

I would say these. The real question is how much we are accelerating the natural cycle.

 

[Bald1]

I'm blanking here. What does the "A" stand for?

 

[Cuauhtemoc]

I'm blanking here. What does the "A" stand for?

Anthropogenic.

That's simply not true. There are numerous methods to track temp records dating back millions of years. Ice core samples are one such method.

Not nearly as precise or comprehensive. Modern data is measured in many different places, not just at the poles.


I believe in global warming, but I hate these articles by the way. They show some hot dry place as some kind of proof, that's like republicans showing a snowball to claim it's not true. Data points(one hot day in the sahara ffs) are meaningless in this discussion by themselves, you need to see the whole set to draw conclusions.

 

[Devout Pessimist]

Global Warming.... err... I mean Climate Change is real. We better accept every tax, regulation and green scheme the government and Eco-warriors tell us to.


We are fortunate to have such guardians, to direct us away from our senses, and beckon us back on the road to faith. Climate Change can cause cold temperatures, too, they intone. And wet weather. And dry. Hurricanes and cyclones. Droughts and floods. In fact, any variety of weather whatsoever can be traced, if you but model hard and often enough, keep the grants flowing and the contradictions unexamined, to the One Holy Underlying Theory of All Weather. Climate Change, everything proves it. It’s the scientific method at its best.
-Rex Murphy from http://nationalpost.com/opinion/rex...-this-is-why-they-rebranded-it-climate-change

 

[Bald1]

Anthropogenic.



Not nearly as precise or comprehensive. Modern data is measured in many different places, not just at the poles.

Derp. Thanks.

 

[RerouteToRemain]

I agree that solar activity and a big geological event like a super volcano eruption could change everything but the scientific consensus for man made global warming is clear

https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/

Where did you hear that the trend isn't clear yet?

The issue I have with these types of graphs and studies is the sample size. Honestly 1-200 years is nothing. Not even a drop in the bucket. Same thing with hurricanes and tornadoes.

You could take multiple 1-200 year sections on this and see very dramatic upswing and downturns in that short time period.

 

[Renard]

The whole concept of climate change is climate getting hotter as a long-term pattern, over a large sample size of data. You're undermining your own point by bringing up that one year was hotter.

 

[44nutman]

Derp State even controls thermometers. Then they push this global warming agenda.