Elections 2016 Presidential Election General Discussion

[Jack V Savage]

I talked about it in an above post, but I don't think its necessarily them embracing white identity politics. I'd say yes, there is a group of white working class voters who are on hard times and so they lash out at whats changed the most that they can see: minority prominence. But there is a solid block that have voted R basically since the 60s, because it made some sense back then, that has been absolutely betrayed by the republican party, and so they lashed out and got the furthest thing from a normal republican candidate they could find. They weren't willing to turn 50 years of voting tendencies on their head and admit trickle down and other republican economics were shit, so they latched on to the guy that had a different economic message from most republicans (at least as far as trade goes), but was still running as a republican.

But voters did turn more than 50 years of voting tendencies on their head after the Civil Rights Act and the beginning of the Southern Strategy. I don't think party loyalty is strong at all among any large group of voters. White nationalism has always been the dominant issue for at least Southern conservatives (much more so than tax cuts for the rich or religion). If a plausible Democratic candidate made Trump-like appeals to those guys, he could win the South immediately, IMO.

 

[ucunc156]

But voters did turn more than 50 years of voting tendencies on their head after the Civil Rights Act and the beginning of the Southern Strategy. I don't think party loyalty is strong at all among any large group of voters. White nationalism has always been the dominant issue for at least Southern conservatives (much more so than tax cuts for the rich or religion). If a plausible Democratic candidate made Trump-like appeals to those guys, he could win the South immediately, IMO.

To be fair, I don't have much experience with southern conservatives. Just the conservatives I see in ohio, which i think are emblematic of Rust Belt. I definitely see your point with southern conservatives though, and I don't think its any surprise that went more trump than other areas (even in the primaries).

 

[mixmastermo]

You know, "elect who we want or we start using violence" isn't a good persuasion tactic from your side.

And how exactly was I trying to persuade anyone to do anything? Do you remember how the conversation started? I was asking for information on third party candidates...

 

[Irenaeus]

why is it that trump is always ahead in every live poll i see?

http://abcnewsgo.co/2016/08/abc-live-poll-who-are-you-voting-for/

http://nbcpoll.com/nbc-poll-vote-future-president-2/

Because some very extrovert groups of voters will always be overrepresented in online polls as opposed to votes on election day. Think Sanders or Ron Paul.

When it comes to actual voting, though, every reluctant Clinton voter will count exactly as much as every enthused Trump voter, and the actual polls tell us that there are more of the former than the latter.

 

[Benjamin Burton]

shouldnt abc and nbc polls be a lot more liberally biased since those news sites are more left leaning? and isnt hillary leading in younger demographics which is what online votes primarily represent? ive also heard that more people will vote for trump at the booths because they are secretly afraid of being ostracized by liberals who are far more vocal and confrontational and will accuse you of racism.

 

[Lead]

shouldnt abc and nbc polls be a lot more liberally biased since those news sites are more left leaning? and isnt hillary leading in younger demographics which is what online votes primarily represent? ive also heard that more people will vote for trump at the booths because they are secretly afraid of being ostracized by liberals who are far more vocal and confrontational and will accuse you of racism.

I don't think it works that way from what I've seen. If you go to fivethirtyeight, they grade different pollsters on their methodologies and also see the pollsters skew from the the norm. For example, Rasmussen usually has a 2-3 point ski toward the republican candidate. I do think the nbc polls are the ones you need to watch out for because they've begun using survey monkey and online polling instead of the traditional method to get their numbers and I've noticed it has varied a lot and doesn't seem as reliable at this point. It's almost like an experiment at this point but they are still posting the results in the meantime

 

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[Thurisaz]

And how exactly was I trying to persuade anyone to do anything? Do you remember how the conversation started? I was asking for information on third party candidates...

Didn't read that far. Tl, you know.

 

[Diamond Jim]

Trump just hit a protestor with a go home to mom and your mothers voting Trump.

 

[uncommon]

 

[Joe]

At least he removed the sheriff's badge

 

[Gervinho]

The co-chair for Donald Trump’s campaign in New York, Carl Palladino, is defending the Republican nominee's attacks against the Khan family, saying that Trump does not have to respect or refer to Khizr Khan as a "Gold Star parent" because he is "a member of the Muslim Brotherhood."

 

[Deleted member 429137]

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slat...lies_from_donald_trump_s_2007_deposition.html

Amazing article highlighting lies Trump has been caught telling in legal dispositions.

• After a reporter said that Trump owned a “small minority stake” in a real estate project, Trump wrote to him to call him a “real loser” and ask if “50 percent [is] small?” Trump actually owned 30 percent in the project. “The 30 percent equates to much more than 30 percent,” he said in the deposition. He was then asked: “Are you saying that the real estate community would interpret your interest to be 50 percent, even though in limited partnership agreements it’s 30 percent?” His response: “Smart people would.”
• When asked if he had ever not been truthful about his net worth, which he had claimed was $6 billion when evidence showed it to be much less than that, Trump responded this way: “My net worth fluctuates, and it goes up and down with markets and with attitudes and with feelings, even my own feelings. But I try.”
• When asked if he had ever lied in public statements about his properties Trump said, “I try and be truthful. I’m no different from a politician running for office. You always want to put the best foot forward.”
• Trump said publicly that he got paid $1 million for a speech but was only paid $400,000. He said in the deposition that he was factoring in “publicity” from the speech. He was then asked this: “Do you actually say that when you say you got paid more than a million dollars publicly?” He responded like this: “I don’t break it down.”
• Trump told Larry King he employed “22,000 or so” people. When asked in the deposition “Are all those people on your payroll?” he responded, “No, not directly.”
• To an author of a book about him, Trump said, “I had zero borrowings from [my father’s] estate. ... I give you my word.” In the deposition, Trump was asked if he had ever borrowed and he said this: “I think a small amount a long time ago. I think it was like in the $9 million range.”
• In one of the books he had authored, Trump claimed the membership fee to one of his golf courses cost $300,000. It cost $200,000. When asked about this, Trump said: “We’ve sold many for two hundred. … We’ve sold many for, I think, two-fifty.” When confronted with a document that showed the fee was actually $200,000, Trump responded “correct, right.”
• In his 2004 book, Trump: How to Get Rich, Trump—telling the story of his financial comeback—wrote “I owed billions upon billions of dollars—$9.2 billion to be exact.” The actual debt, documents showed, was much lower. Trump blamed his co-author and favorite personal patsy Meredith McIver for the error and said that he told her about it after the book was published but didn’t have it corrected. The lawyers than pointed that in another book he published with McIver three years later, Trump again wrote, “In fact, I was $9 billion in debt.” Again, it was McIver’s fault: “She probably forgot.” When asked if he had corrected mistake in the book, of which he was the co-author, Trump said, “I didn’t see it. … I read it very quickly.”

 

[K1levelgrappler]

This man is dangerous!

*hands the dangerous man an email list of rubes for cash*

 

[dawnslayer]

from my experience, the hate that the average bear has for hillary is far less pronounced than any media outlet or internet forum would have you believe.

 

[TUFNewb]

Ok... Which one of you losers is this? Sad!

 

[HOLA]

Just saw the video where some guy called Trump Putin's bitch at his rally. Hilarious.

 

[HOLA]

That stupid face he makes when he can't come up with a comeback is priceless...then he sort of calls the guy darling.

 

[Irenaeus]

shouldnt abc and nbc polls be a lot more liberally biased since those news sites are more left leaning? and isnt hillary leading in younger demographics which is what online votes primarily represent?

What Lead Salad said. Also, it would still just be a modifier on a number that's already very difficult to correlate in any meaningful manner to voting outcomes.

Online polls are pretty close to meaningless when discussing elections.

ive also heard that more people will vote for trump at the booths because they are secretly afraid of being ostracized by liberals who are far more vocal and confrontational and will accuse you of racism.

They said that at the primaries as well, yet Trump never did significantly better than his poll numbers. Everyone who wants to dismiss or diminish the meaning of serious political polling in this election needs to have an answer to that.

Trump never did significantly better than his poll numbers.

Sure, he can still win, but in that case, we should expect to see this reflected in the polls as we get closer to the election, and not just that he miraculously beats what appears to be a ten point deficit in the polls beforehand.

 

[Gandhi]

When Hillary becomes president my biggest hope is that she deports every single Trump supporter. I'm not joking either. These Trump backers embarrassed the fuck out of the country and set us back several decades. Keeping them around adds nothing while forcing them to find another country would add some rational balance back to America.

Of course Hillary wouldn't do it because politicians rarely do what needs to be done. But if she is wanting to do at least one good thing then she'd round up Trump supporters and tell them the hard truth "We one, you lost, now get the fuck out of our country!!!"

Hillary needs to let it be known that there are consequences to putting our country at risk. She needs to make a strong statement so this shit never happens again

We one? Ironic misspelling here