Elections 2016 Presidential Election General Discussion v2

[Metal_Daze]

Mein Kampf, duh

How about "JoJo Dancer: Ich Lieben Haupt."?

As long as you read it in full blackface, anything goes!

 

[IDL]

Damn! If I knew people like you were posting here, I would have browsed the sub-forum more often!

Your "indoctrination of the Youth" theory is spot on and it makes me reconsider my position.

For me, that's an open mind. You go on about open minds being susceptible to cons: I agree. The most important thing (for me) about an open mind is the willingness to accept you can be wrong and reconsider your position.

You don't need to believe in 2 + 2 = 5 to have an open mind. You just need to be aware that you could be wrong. 2 + 2 = 5 could be proven by advances in mathematical sciences we can't even imagine yet.

Having an open mind, it's as simple as seeing 1 + 1 = 3 as:

Me + my Mate (which I plan to impregnate) = family of 3

It's just a question of perspective. It has no mathematical value whatsoever, it's just a different way to see things. The postulate can be destroyed by a 1st year high school student.

Yet, it opens a wide array of perspectives...

Your example wasn't 1+1=3 though. It was 1 male +1 female + sex + conception + birth = 3. In the pure sense, 1+1=3 will never be true, and if someone tries to convince you otherwise it should be met with a high degree of skepticism, if not closed mindedness IMO. This is logic, which is the basis of rational thinking.

I can appreciate trying to escape the obvious answers of a question by thinking outside of the box though. That is also very valuable.

And yes I agree, an open mind allows one to consider all possibilities, and will be willing to consider being wrong. This process allows continuous growth. But, at the same time it is possible to know things, and these things do accumulate.

 

[Metal_Daze]

you're example wasn't 1+1=3 though. It was 1 male +1 female + sex + conception + birth = 3. In the pure sense, 1+1=3 will never be true, and if someone tries to convince you otherwise it should be met with a high degree of skepticism, if not closed mindedness IMO. This is logic, which is the basis of rational thinking.

I can appreciate trying to escape the parameters of a question by thinking outside of the box though. That is also very valuable.

And yes I agree, an open mind allows one to consider all possibilities, and will be willing to consider being wrong. This process allows continuous growth. But, at the same time it is possible know things, and these things do accumulate.

I knew you would destroy the postulate, I'm happy you did. As you say, it was just a way to illustrate "thinking outside the box."

All the rest is spot-on, as your other post. The only thing I can't agree with is "1+1=3 will never be true". I understand logic and rational thinking but I can't accept the "logic will never change" theory. I know it's not a popular view and I would never claim that 1 + 1 = 3 is true. I would just never claim "1 + 1 = 3 is impossible" either. Unless I can specify:

"In the context of actual mathematics, logic and rational thinking as we understand them at the moment, 1 + 1 = 3 is impossible."

That's the only statement I can get behind without question.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

Donald Trump, paragon of honesty and integrity.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/trump-intelligence-briefing-readout-227904

 

[IDL]

I knew you would destroy the postulate, I'm happy you did. As you say, it was just a way to illustrate "thinking outside the box."

All the rest is spot-on, as your other post. The only thing I can't agree with is "1+1=3 will never be true". I understand logic and rational thinking but I can't accept the "logic will never change" theory. I know it's not a popular view and I would never claim that 1 + 1 = 3 is true. I would just never claim "1 + 1 = 3 is impossible" either. Unless I can specify:

"In the context of actual mathematics, logic and rational thinking as we understand them at the moment, 1 + 1 = 3 is impossible."

That's the only statement I can get behind without question.

That is the context I was using (math, logic, rationality), so we agree under that context. So we are both closed minded when it comes to challenging that fundamental truth

 

[M3t4tr0n]

I read du bible right after I meelk me cow Palin and choke mah cheekins. Yeeha!

 

[Diamond Jim]

Has anyone seen any prove that Trump was against the invasion prior to invasion yet?

Just asking cause I can't find it. Even the transcript to the Cavuto interview that Trump claims he said it doesn't. He says something like invade or don't, make the decision.

 

[UpaLoompa]

Has anyone seen any prove that Trump was against the invasion prior to invasion yet?

Just asking cause I can't find it. Even the transcript to the Cavuto interview that Trump claims he said it doesn't. He says something like invade or don't, make the decision.

The Washington Post has repeatedly posted video and quotes of him supporting the invasion.
Trump's sole support for being against the invasion is from an interview he gave well after the invasion and after general public opinion had also turned.

 

[Metal_Daze]

That is the context I was using (math, logic, rationality), so we agree under that context. So we are both closed minded when it comes to challenging that fundamental truth

Are you an exclusive War Room poster? We both joined 6 months apart but I never see you posting. Yet you have 17k posts!

I don't like coming here: I've been "burned" back in 2010, when I was too inexperienced to get double-meanings, trolling and war room etiquette.

I came back to read sometimes but I very rarely posted anything. Maybe I will "reconsider my position" and start coming more often!

Or maybe I'll get burnt for this post and not come back for 5 years!

 

[TheComebackKid]

Has anybody else noticed that Hillary has no message whatsoever?

 

[Yunes]

He's the most entertaining candidate out there. If he gets elected, you will have 4-8 years of entertainment every time you flip on the TV. Much more fun than boring, low energy Clinton.

Guys an atheist that tricked all the evangelicals, he's in the WWE Hall of Fame, LOL.

As for anything else, who cares? None of it matters. We're $21,000,0000,000,000+ in debt. The country is fucked no matter what. So, just vote for the guy that makes you laugh and enjoy yourself.

According to jvs our dept isn't bad at all and we should actually increase our debt

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

i would say the WR has a higher average of posters who read and proactively seek out additional material relative to discussion topics than any other subforum on SD.

I know its hard to compete with the intellectual capability of the mayberry; with the weekly "if a wizard offered" or "which sandwich would you rather fuck" or the daily "my life sucks and i'm going to kill myself" threads -- But this place does a pretty good job.

Also, pretty easy to spot the Hillary and Trump supporters here who we should just be impressed by their ability to read at all.

 

[Octavian]

It seems like more and more (maybe it's just a short memory and a good old days bias, though) people are thinking you can substitute ideology for knowledge and denigrating the whole idea of intelligent governance.

You're describing the transition between Bill Clinton and GWB. It was the exact same phenomenon and that's what scares me. People did nothing but mock Gore and his own party and supporters didn't stand up for him.

At least with Romney, with who I strongly disagreed with on multiple issues, is a calculated technocrat who's quite an intelligent person. He and Obama has legitimate policy debates. The media just wants to catch crazy sound bites from Trump and drum up all this ridiculous shit about Hillarys emails. God forbid they allow her to talk through and issue and make sense of something.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Has anybody else noticed that Hillary has no message whatsoever?

She has a very detailed list of policies and positions. If you're talking about an overarching theme or a cheap slogan, maybe. Seems like it's just, "Unlike some people, I know what the fuck I'm doing and have the record to prove it or you can listen to me talk and compare it to some other people who are running."

 

[IDL]

Are you an exclusive War Room poster? We both joined 6 months apart but I never see you posting. Yet you have 17k posts!

I don't like coming here: I've been "burned" back in 2010, when I was too inexperienced to get double-meanings, trolling and war room etiquette.

I came back to read sometimes but I very rarely posted anything. Maybe I will "reconsider my position" and start coming more often!

Or maybe I'll get burnt for this post and not come back for 5 years!

Pretty much a WR exclusive, yeah. There is no shortage of trolling, partisanship, shenanigans, personal attacks, and sarcasm here and it helps to develop a thick skin, but every so often some good discussions break out!

 

[RighteousWar]

I believe the type of material one reads matters the most. Someone could say "I read Sherdog everyday." That's not quite the same as reading War and Peace.

I also believe it's important to read different subject matters as well.

Uhhhhh...Sherdog isn't a book, Breh.

 

[RighteousWar]

How many books do you read in a year?

It's not a judgement thing or a "I'm better than you" gimmick. I just sincerely want to know. You don't have to read Dostoevsky and Nietzsche to be eligible. Damn, if you read everything by Ann Coulter, I won't judge you: I'll put you in the "reading books regularly" team.

Of course, I have a premise: reading books, any book, stimulate the brain. If helps you organize the information and gain access to it rapidly. It also stimulates the love or writing, which is even better: it forces you to really dig into your brain, access long-time stocked information and mix it up with things you just heard, things you imagine and things that don't exist yet.

My hypothesis is simple: If reading and writing were common practice in the US, we wouldn't see what we're seeing in this Presidential race. If reading and writing were encouraged and hyped by the media as much as movies, shows and music, it would raise the overall level of discussion. It could even eradicate things like bigotry, misogyny, racism and immigration paranoia.

So just tell me Trump fans: how many books do you read in a year?

If a mod or a platinum could create a poll, it would be great. Just answer with a simple number if you don't want to engage in the discussion.
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PS: I rarely post in the War Room so be kind...

 

[Fawlty]

Has anybody else noticed that Hillary has no message whatsoever?

Does she need to sell a stupid hat or will her platform do?

Wait, don't answer that, I forgot I'm in America.

 

[Metal_Daze]

i would say the WR has a higher average of posters who read and proactively seek out additional material relative to discussion topics than any other subforum on SD.

I know its hard to compete with the intellectual capability of the mayberry; with the weekly "if a wizard offered" or "which sandwich would you rather fuck" or the daily "my life sucks and i'm going to kill myself" threads -- But this place does a pretty good job.

Also, pretty easy to spot the Hillary and Trump supporters here who we should just be impressed by their ability to read at all.

I wasn't aware of all that. I often post in Mayberry but it's always light subjects like movies, girls and booze. I created a thread yesterday to celebrate Star Trek 50th birthday and it got derailed into a Star Trek babe ranking thread. (I'm to blame)

As for my political stance, you must have noticed I didn't take a clear side. That's because I'm Canadian and I don't feel I have the right to make a choice. Not on a name: I know the values I would support but I will not name names. I can only tell you this: If I were American with the right to vote, I would not. Or rather, I would void my vote anyway I can. I'd go there and do my duty but I will not be forced to choose between a Turd Sandwich and a Giant Douche.

I even hate naming Trump. I rarely write his name, just to make a stand. In French, I like to call him "Le Polichinel", which could be translated as "The Clown".

I don't want to do that here and rustle feathers...

 

[Yunes]

i would say the WR has a higher average of posters who read and proactively seek out additional material relative to discussion topics than any other subforum on SD.

I know its hard to compete with the intellectual capability of the mayberry; with the weekly "if a wizard offered" or "which sandwich would you rather fuck" or the daily "my life sucks and i'm going to kill myself" threads -- But this place does a pretty good job.

Also, pretty easy to spot the Hillary and Trump supporters here who we should just be impressed by their ability to read at all.

So you would kill an innocent kid because of her mother...you are such a disgrace.

Typical right wing mentality....never take black lives into account.


Is a freaking kid...a better option would be told hold back and not confront this lunatic with a kid.

If the child was white tho......

if they were white the mother would have killed the kids herself

That's what I bring to the war room.