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Elections 2016 Democratic National Convention

I'm voting Nader. I think he's due.
 
Peteyandjia said:
I don't agree with Bernie endorsing Shilllary, but it's a stretch to say he 'destroyed his genuine grassroots support'. There are a lot of people who respect Bernie, as I do, who get what he is doing. In a way, I respect that he is being a good soldier -- he firmly believes that a Trump Presidency would be the antithesis of the direction he wants the country to go in, so he is backing the so-called Democrat. I don't agree with it, but I get it, it's the 'lesser of two evils' theory that a lot of voters will use as well (on both sides of the aisle). Ironically, it's that selflessness for a greater cause than himself, that Shillary does not have, one of the many qualities that makes Bernie a far more respectable person than her.
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Hmm. Clinton was in the exact same position that Sanders was in, after a much nastier primary, and did the same thing, showing the same selflessness. It's not a hypothetical. It happened.

carlos cadona said:
Seems like thing went okay all things considered. I expect worse, I'm disappointed.
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Regardless of one's positions on issues, I'd think that anyone could see the vast difference in the quality of the speakers and speeches and in the amount of substance. And, yeah, a lot more energy, too.
 
That was just sad to watch. Bernie has completely sold out and is now no better than Hillary.
 
JudoThrowFiasco said:
sorry man, not even a bernie fan to begin with but i do not see your way at all. Not after what has came out and what the DNC was ready to do to him. Not after they lied to him about concessions and not especially when he was the reason all those kids had hope. I can understand the wanting of a lesser evil -- but in this case, he got too many people's hope up and he sold out -- then tried to make his zealots accept it.
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Fully disagree. There is no point in grandstanding, I hate guys like Cruz. Pretend to be principled just to grandstand and build themselves up.

I don't trust hillary. I don't like hillary. I think shes a shit candidate. I think she won't hold true to all her promises. But if she can even do one of the following promises: end CU, furthers healthcare coverage moving towards universal healthcare, not cut taxes on the rich or corporations, lower college tuition/debt, or raise the minimum wage, then I'll be happy with my decision to support her. Because none of those things are happening under a trump presidency.
Peteyandjia said:
Okay I missed all of this today, but I am going to comb through.

What do you guys think were the top few highlights so far? The bottom few lowlights?
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basically everything early and pandery was brutally bad with the exception of the handicapped girl, which was truly heartwarming. Warren felt flat and to quote trump, "low energy". The sarah silverman stalling part was PAINFUL. I have no idea if that was intentional or not, but it was incredibly embarrassing either way. Looked incredibly amateurish.

Booker's speech was phenomenal, he is very charismatic. Michelle had a great speech and no doubt that speech resonated the most for any woman who watched it. Sanders was filmed in the crowd dropping his speech and momentarily panicking, which was as sanders a thing as he could do. His speech was very admirable, and my comments on it are very clear. The crowd was going nuts for him, and if you are a believer like I am that the #1 thing a presidential candidate needs to do to gain support is to inspire some portion of the base to spread their message, then the dems made a very bad decision.
 
TheComebackKid said:
That was just sad to watch. Bernie has completely sold out and is now no better than Hillary.
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Dude, you're going to root for the Republican no matter what. Bernie's not going to be a pawn for your party so you're mad about it. The expression of disappointment that he's trying to help the candidate that he agrees with (and whose platform he had a lot of influence on) is very obviously insincere.
 
ucunc156 said:
Fully disagree. There is no point in grandstanding, I hate guys like Cruz. Pretend to be principled just to grandstand and build themselves up.
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I don't think Bernie should grandstand and show up to the convention hoping to blow it up like Cruz. But that doesn't mean he has to go to the other extreme by standing up there trying to pretend and convince his supporters that Hillary is everything that she's not.

He should just congratulated Clinton and then stayed quiet.
 
Jack V Savage said:
Dude, you're going to root for the Republican no matter what. Bernie's not going to be a pawn for your party so you're mad about it. The expression of disappointment that he's trying to help the candidate that he agrees with (and whose platform he had a lot of influence on) is very obviously insincere.
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Who is being insincere? It's always disappointing and sad to see spineless people roll over and sell out their very compassionate supporters. I mean I won't be losing any sleep over it but it's still a very sad sight to behold.
 
Bernie is a career politician and it showed. Get out of the way old man. All that shit you talked, dissolved into Hillary. lol. Like tears in fuckin rain.

 
Last week all we saw were anti-trump republicans uniting around Trump. No problem there from the right. But Bernie is a sell out?

Bernie didn't go Cruz cause Hillary didn't call his wife ugly or put out the possibility his dad was shooter in the grassy knoll.
 
TheComebackKid said:
Who is being insincere? It's always disappointing and sad to see spineless people roll over and sell out their very compassionate supporters. I mean I won't be losing any sleep over it but it's still a very sad sight to behold.
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You'd be even more disappointed if Bernie had won the nomination and then Clinton endorsed him and he won, though, right? You're not disappointed that he's "selling out" his supporters by endorsing the candidate who is closest to him (and opposing the one who represents everything he hates); you're disappointed that the opposition to your party's candidate is united.

Diamond Jim said:
Last week all we saw were anti-trump republicans uniting around Trump. No problem there from the right. But Bernie is a sell out?

Bernie didn't go Cruz cause Hillary didn't call his wife ugly or put out the possibility his dad was shooter in the grassy knoll.
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Yeah, Trump was a total dick to everyone in the primaries and is manifestly incompetent and unqualified, but you don't see TCK expressing dismay that they're endorsing him. Of course fucking Rubio and Perry are going to endorse Trump. His platform is pretty much the same as theirs. Cruz and Kasich are a little different because Trump went way too far with the personal stuff against Cruz, and Kasich is very religious.
 
Diamond Jim said:
Last week all we saw were anti-trump republicans uniting around Trump. No problem there from the right. But Bernie is a sell out?

Bernie didn't go Cruz cause Hillary didn't call his wife ugly or put out the possibility his dad was shooter in the grassy knoll.
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Conservatives have been accused of selling out for Trump.

As has been mentioned. The Jew stuff. Slandering. Working against. And then to get up there and lick their feet.

A couple old Democrat sayings from the Kennedys: "when the going gets tough, the tough get going." Bernie checks the fuck out.

Another Kennedy classic, "Don't get mad, get even." Bernie has done none of that. It shows why he is a career politician.

 
Jack V Savage said:
You'd be even more disappointed if Bernie had won the nomination and then Clinton endorsed him and he won, though, right? You're not disappointed that he's "selling out" his supporters by endorsing the candidate who is closest to him (and opposing the one who represents everything he hates);
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I supported Bernie's call to fight against wall street and our corrupt system. He was gaining alot of support for that. And in the end he sells them all out. Of course that is disappointing.

you're disappointed that the opposition to your party's candidate is united.
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TheComebackKid said:
I supported Bernie's call to fight against wall street and our corrupt system. He was gaining alot of support for that. And in the end he sells them all out. Of course that is disappointing.
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He's still fighting the same fight. Trump is proposing to repeal financial reform, while both Bernie and Clinton want to expand it. Naturally, Bernie is going to be on Clinton's side there.
 
"We promise according to our hopes; we fulfill according to our fears."

-François de La Rochefoucauld
 
Jennifer Granholm has really gone down the tubes these last few years. I would have given her the works just a few years ago. I wanted that. Still would, but barely. Trying to fix Michigan must take years off your life.

Michelle Obama looked good. She has a fat ass.
 
Bernie just looked like someone who knew he sold out. It was almost sad to watch.

Also listening to everyone back track on the previous Hillary statements was just aggravating.

I fully plan on either drinking substantially or just having a brain aneurysm tonight when key speakers are Michael Brown, Sandra Bland, Eric Garner and Trayvon Martin's families.

Maybe Philly PD will say enough of this shit, walk off and let all the protesters run amok...
 
Jack, I don't disagree with you here. It was obvious from the beginning that Bernie would support Hillary because in doing so he at least inches toward the platform he was gunning for. However, is there no merit in being disappointed that the passionate arguments he made against corporate interests, rejection of TPP, and many others and then rolling over for someone who is very much the embodiment of the political elite class is effectively being chalked up to a typical run of the mill campaign cycle?

All of this is compounded by the fact that the primary was actually literally being led by someone slanted against him. I agree he lost fairly squarely, but none of that stinks to you?

Bernie's appeal was that he was different, in the end, he was not. In the end, Bernie led many naive people to believe he wouldn't bow down, but he did, to the very type of person he told his followers to rail against.

Yes, he took her farther to the left. Yes, voting for her, in his supporters minds, is better than voting for trump. But isn't this the very "team" type of politics you've said is dividing the country.

To me, Cruz is a total POS that I can't stand to even look at, but a part of me admires the fact that he was going to stand alone on what he believed was right. And that belief was more important to him than the team.
 
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