2014 FIFA World Cup thread, v1

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hoonosewot88 said:
Both London and Beijing Olympics made a profit, and the Germany WC in 2006 made a profit. Wouldn't be surprised if Japan/Korea 2002 and France 1998 did as well.

Only recent WC to make a loss was South Africa which was always gonna happen, and the Athens Olympics probably didn't do too well either.

If done right, these things can make a profit as well as being a big boost to a country's image worldwide. It's weeks of advertising to the whole planet across the big networks.
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Germany was even because their stadiums were already OK and the rebuild of them by FIFA standards could really be seen as a investment for their league especially backed by a strong economy.

Brazil WC is already 10 times more expensive than Germany and apparentkly many of the stadiums are not even going to be used much after the cup.

http://www.worldcrunch.com/opinion-...nt-spending-money-debt/c7s14631/#.U3Gq6HaJ11A

"Come August when the competition is over, the city of Manaus, situated in the heart of the Amazon forest, will be left with a stunning-looking stadium. But the four World Cup games that will take place there are likely to be the only soccer the venue will see, as the city doesn't even have a top flight club. The same can be expected of Natal, Cuiaba and even of the capital of Brasilia, causing soccer legend Romario to say "Maybe they'll stage concerts at those stadiums a few times a month, but that aside, they're a joke."

USA lost money.

http://soccerlens.com/why-on-earth-do-countries-want-to-host-the-fifa-world-cup/55959/

"What Americans need to know about a World Cup bid” that the US lost $9.6 billion from hosting the World Cup in 1994, a $13 billion difference between the $4 billion profit that was predicted before the tournament. Likewise Germany broke even despite a flawless 2006 tournament and South Africa are expected to be in the red after figures from 2010 emerge."


Japan keeps losing money

http://www.cnn.com/2010/BUSINESS/06/11/business.bounce.world.cup/index.html

"The games in Japan -- which co-hosted with neighboring South Korea in 2002 -- continue to be an economic drag on the local communities. Why? Maintenance of the stadiums built for the games costs more than the revenues they bring in.

Eight of the 10 stadiums built or renovated in Japan for the 2002 World Cup lose between $2 million and $6 million a year, the balance of which is picked up by Japanese taxpayers."

"No strategy, no success," said Ichiro Hirose, a member of the 2002 World Cup Bidding Committee in Japan. "They did not have a strategy" for use of the stadiums after the games, he said"
 
2004 Olympics in Greece left major amounts of debt.

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-08-02/how-the-2004-olympics-triggered-greeces-decline

"As they watch the London Olympics, many Greeks may wonder how their country went from the international glory of the Athens Games in 2004 to the recriminations of today’s crisis. Hosting the event cost almost €9 billion ($11 billion at today’s exchange rate), making the 2004 Games the most expensive ever at that point. Greek taxpayers were on the hook for €7 billion, which did not include the cost of extra projects such as a new airport and metro system.

Within days of the closing ceremony, Greece warned the euro area that its public debt and deficit figures would be worse than expected. The 2004 deficit came in at 6.1 percent of gross domestic product, more than double the euro-zone limit, while debt reached 110.6 percent of gross domestic product, the highest in the European Union. (Today, Greece’s debt is 165.3 percent of GDP.) Greece became the first EU country to be placed under fiscal monitoring by the European Commission, in 2005."
 
It took Canada 30 years to finish paying the Olympics.

http://www.archdaily.com/242480/how-not-to-host-the-olympics/

"Take the example par excellence, Montreal’s 1976 Stadium, nicknamed the “Big O” for its circular shape and the “Big Owe” for the amount of debt it incurred. A perfect storm of labor strikes, mismanagement, and complicated design (Rogert Taillibert‘s plan demanded an inclined, 175 meter tower to house the retractable roof), meant that – come Opening Day – the Stadium stood, tower half-built, roof non-existant.

The tower was eventually finished in 1987, but the roof subsequently collapsed – twice. In the end, the Stadium contributed to about 1 billion of Canada’s 1.5 billion dollar Olympic debt, a sum Canadians only just paid off in 2006 (30 years later). To add insult to injury, since the Montreal Expos moved to Washington DC in 2004, the Stadium sits empty."
 
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kid Pambele said:
Colombia is winning this one

War Falcao
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Aside from the fact that Falcao has an ACL injury, and in the remote case he's declared fit to play, he might be putting his career in danger...

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Alright, here's the Swiss squad.

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And here's the Belgian 24-man preliminary squad.

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Spain's provisional 30-man squad

Goalkeepers: Iker Casillas, David de Gea, Pepe Reina

Defenders: Sergio Ramos, Gerard Piqu
 
I wonder how Belgium will do without Benteke Fried Chicken. There's Lukaku, yeah. But, from what I saw, Benteke was their main card.

How will they fit Januzaj on their tactics is an interesting question mark. Super sub?
 
Damn Arsenal players make up almost half of the German players not playing for a Bundesliga team? Spearheading that German revolution!
 
armbarforhire said:
Germany was even because their stadiums were already OK and the rebuild of them by FIFA standards could really be seen as a investment for their league especially backed by a strong economy.

Brazil WC is already 10 times more expensive than Germany and apparentkly many of the stadiums are not even going to be used much after the cup.

http://www.worldcrunch.com/opinion-...nt-spending-money-debt/c7s14631/#.U3Gq6HaJ11A

"Come August when the competition is over, the city of Manaus, situated in the heart of the Amazon forest, will be left with a stunning-looking stadium. But the four World Cup games that will take place there are likely to be the only soccer the venue will see, as the city doesn't even have a top flight club. The same can be expected of Natal, Cuiaba and even of the capital of Brasilia, causing soccer legend Romario to say "Maybe they'll stage concerts at those stadiums a few times a month, but that aside, they're a joke."

USA lost money.

http://soccerlens.com/why-on-earth-do-countries-want-to-host-the-fifa-world-cup/55959/

"What Americans need to know about a World Cup bid” that the US lost $9.6 billion from hosting the World Cup in 1994, a $13 billion difference between the $4 billion profit that was predicted before the tournament. Likewise Germany broke even despite a flawless 2006 tournament and South Africa are expected to be in the red after figures from 2010 emerge."


Japan keeps losing money

http://www.cnn.com/2010/BUSINESS/06/11/business.bounce.world.cup/index.html

"The games in Japan -- which co-hosted with neighboring South Korea in 2002 -- continue to be an economic drag on the local communities. Why? Maintenance of the stadiums built for the games costs more than the revenues they bring in.

Eight of the 10 stadiums built or renovated in Japan for the 2002 World Cup lose between $2 million and $6 million a year, the balance of which is picked up by Japanese taxpayers."

"No strategy, no success," said Ichiro Hirose, a member of the 2002 World Cup Bidding Committee in Japan. "They did not have a strategy" for use of the stadiums after the games, he said"
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None of which changes the fact that what you said about every recent Olympics and WC generating a loss was clearly nonsense.

However i agree, the Brazil WC is likely to be a bit of a disaster financially, and the Olympics will probably go the same way.
 
gboy said:
Thiago ahead of Isco makes no sense. Isco has played twice as many games.
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Dont get me wrong, had they selected Isco to final WC squad he would not play that much but still he deserves to named in the provisional squad over Thiago and to some degree Torres and Llorente. No idea why those two were picked when most likely Villa, Costa and Negredo will be picked.

That said even without Isco in the team that midfield is so damn stacked.

Xabi Alonso, Xavi, Andr
 
I rather like the look of that Swiss Squad. They've got some really solid young players at the moment. Schar, Rodriguez, Shaqiri & Drmic especially I have heard good things about. Hopefully they can form a good team.

It will be interesting to see how Belgium do, lots of hype and expectation given the number of names they have in the team. They've got a fairly easy group all told but it will be interesting to see how they play as a unit, I'm not yet convinced. Januzaj will definitely be used as an impact sub imo.

And finally really happy for De Gea. He deserves that call up and has really progressed into one of the best in the world in his three years at United. Hopefully he can make it into the final cut.
 
Swiss and Belgium will be interesting to watch indeed.
 
Belgium taking Defour over Radja Nainggolan is a fucking ridiculously bad decision.
And due to injuries, I would have easily picked Isco over Thiago for Spain.

Looking forward to Italy's selections today. Prandelli better not ruin my Tuesday.
 
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