200 kg bench press - clean or juicing?

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BY FAR pound for pound gayest thread since that fat wreslting coach who always put up weird bodybuilding pics in his threads.
I bet if you guys kiss he'll let you touch his pecs!!!
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I'm not gay, but if homosexuality is the first thing you think of when people discuss these things then you just might be.

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Your friend is cute, don't you think?
Hard to judge for someone who's hetero, but i think rather not <Lmaoo>

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Yea, he's a cute little muscle boy tbh. :) :p
 
Anybody stronger than you is on juice! I. All seriousness he likely is though, steroids are so common nowadays and everybody claims to be natty (even some pro bodybuilders and powerlifters).
 
There "pro" powerlifters that compete in drug tested federations?
Idk too much about it tbh but anybody deadlifting over 1000lbs has got to be on gear right? I've never followed Powerlifting but I know strongmen are on mad gear. Just look at pudzianowski.
 
There is nothing gay about admitting a guy has good looks.

But finding him attractive? That's exactly what being gay is.
lol being attracted to him is what would make you gay. Merely finding someone (or something) attractive doesn't necessarily have sexual intent.
 
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I know this dude who swears he's clean, but he can put up 200 kgs on the bench and other heavy weights.

I mean, even with juice that's strong.
I know guys using and can't lift that, so obviously he has a natural strength in one sense but, I've heard some say he does juice, and others say he's clean.

He's about 120 kgs body weight so, big unit but, I mean he basically has what seems like superhuman strength.

Forget what may or may not be, my question is primarily, would benching 200 kgs for a 120 kgs dude (not ripped, significant body fat), be unusual, or considered strong but not unheard of?

Benching 200 kg is nothing out of the ordinary
 
Fuck teh 275, I bench that shit for reps.

Talking about the 440.

Primary reason I ask this question is cause the dude is a fuck face, I puke at him.
It would pain me to think he has this strength naturally.
know a guy that benches 455 at 190. No big deal
 
I know there's some haters when it comes to his technique, but check out Daiki Kodama repping 200 at a measly 73kg bodyweight :eek:

I dunno about others but man, that range of motion? That’s like half a rep. The weight is very impressive but I think I’d be more impressed with someone at 73kg BW lifting 150kg with strict form and shoulder width grip and full range down to the chest and to full extension with no bounce. Isn’t that how it should be done? I’m probably just jealous cos all I could do after a year training was 70kg for sets of 6 reps full range with no spotter. So weak!!
 
I dunno about others but man, that range of motion? That’s like half a rep. The weight is very impressive but I think I’d be more impressed with someone at 73kg BW lifting 150kg with strict form and shoulder width grip and full range down to the chest and to full extension with no bounce. Isn’t that how it should be done? I’m probably just jealous cos all I could do after a year training was 70kg for sets of 6 reps full range with no spotter. So weak!!

He is a bench specialist powerlifter. his main objective for bench is to be able to execute the lift to IPF competition standards with the most weight possible. Using his mobility to his advantage, he is able to reduce the range of motion needed to perform the lift. I would think a near 3x BW bench press could only be done using the strictest form possible.
 
He is a bench specialist powerlifter. his main objective for bench is to be able to execute the lift to IPF competition standards with the most weight possible. Using his mobility to his advantage, he is able to reduce the range of motion needed to perform the lift. I would think a near 3x BW bench press could only be done using the strictest form possible.
Thanks for the info on that one. It is definitely impressive regardless. Would you say that the form demonstrated is IPF standard? I only ask because someone else on this thread, actually it may have been you, posted a video of the bench press with what looked like much more range of motion, a narrower grip, etc. Looked more ‘proper’ if that means anything!
The only reason I ask is because when I’m training and trying to do the best lift possible, I avoid any kind of reduction in range of motion (eg bar going from almost locked elbows, to almost touching the chest, back to almost locked elbows, for a fairly slow 2 seconds down, one second up rhythm. What I see in the 73kg BW pressing 200kg+ is very short range of motion, fast reps like pumps, very wide grip. I also notice the amount of arch in the back and power driving up through the legs... doesn’t seem so much of a chest exercise with the legs involved to that extent. Are there folks who keep it super strict, only using the chest and arm muscles and not pressing through the legs? Is that even a thing or just outdated technique? It just makes it hard to really know how you’re doing compared to others if the technique varies so much.
I’m a novice so really appreciate he info. Is there a ‘school’ of lifting that I should be looking at for comparisons that do things in the way I describe, or is it just what suits the individual? I realise comparing with others is kind of pointless, should just focus on myself, but sometimes it’s nice to have a little external inspiration.
I’ve seen something about ‘raw’ lifting, is that just lifting without any aids like wraps and lifting vests, etc?
I guess I’m just trying to say it seems impossible to compare someone pressing way less but without using legs much, slower reps, no help racking/unracking, no aids etc, to someone like the video I was talking about?
I really appreciate the info!
 
That particular video is a set of 8, touch and go. It looks like he met all the criteria for a good lift, outside of the commands. He is not performing the bench press in terms of bodybuilding, he is executing it as a powerlifting movement. The arch and leg drive, which are legal components of an IPF bench press, help him move more weight. This is his competition resume, https://www.openpowerlifting.org/u/daikikodama, he is an absolute beast in his particular craft. The way someone approaches bench press is probably determined by their goals like bodybuilding, powerlifting, sports performance etc. Someone that wants to bench the most weight that they can is going to try to use every bit of mechanical advantage available, someone that is looking to get bigger or develop their body for a specific sport might not need to worry about those things as much. This should sum up the differences between raw and equipped powerlifting, didn't really read, but I would think the source would get it right for the most part. https://barbend.com/raw-vs-equipped-powerlifting/#:~:text=In practice, “Raw” powerlifting,varies a bit by federation.
 
That particular video is a set of 8, touch and go. It looks like he met all the criteria for a good lift, outside of the commands. He is not performing the bench press in terms of bodybuilding, he is executing it as a powerlifting movement. The arch and leg drive, which are legal components of an IPF bench press, help him move more weight. This is his competition resume, https://www.openpowerlifting.org/u/daikikodama, he is an absolute beast in his particular craft. The way someone approaches bench press is probably determined by their goals like bodybuilding, powerlifting, sports performance etc. Someone that wants to bench the most weight that they can is going to try to use every bit of mechanical advantage available, someone that is looking to get bigger or develop their body for a specific sport might not need to worry about those things as much. This should sum up the differences between raw and equipped powerlifting, didn't really read, but I would think the source would get it right for the most part. https://barbend.com/raw-vs-equipped-powerlifting/#:~:text=In practice, “Raw” powerlifting,varies a bit by federation.
Thanks again man. I guess it’s obvious really, the guy is training for competition so you perform to the best of your ability within the parameters of that competition, yeah why would he make it harder on himself to lift the same weight and therefore not win?
I suppose regular guys like me who are just training to get stronger and in shape, we see these amazing numbers like 73kg BW lifting 200+kg and go WHAAAT??? Then see a video, and go, ‘oh hang on, he’s doing it totally differently to me?’, then you ask yourself ‘if I did it that way I reckon I could lift more than I can doing it the way I currently do...?’, then you try to emulate and get injured, or realise that you’re not getting stronger in the same way...
I don’t really know what my point is, I guess I’ll just stick to what I’m doing as I’m not getting injured and I feel pretty good.
I just look at those competition numbers and feel a bit pathetic!
 
That particular video is a set of 8, touch and go. It looks like he met all the criteria for a good lift, outside of the commands. He is not performing the bench press in terms of bodybuilding, he is executing it as a powerlifting movement. The arch and leg drive, which are legal components of an IPF bench press, help him move more weight. This is his competition resume, https://www.openpowerlifting.org/u/daikikodama, he is an absolute beast in his particular craft. The way someone approaches bench press is probably determined by their goals like bodybuilding, powerlifting, sports performance etc. Someone that wants to bench the most weight that they can is going to try to use every bit of mechanical advantage available, someone that is looking to get bigger or develop their body for a specific sport might not need to worry about those things as much. This should sum up the differences between raw and equipped powerlifting, didn't really read, but I would think the source would get it right for the most part. https://barbend.com/raw-vs-equipped-powerlifting/#:~:text=In practice, “Raw” powerlifting,varies a bit by federation.

I don't follow competitive PL but does it strike anyone else as crazy that this guy's raw bench PR is not only more than his squat and DL PRs but by a wide margin?

Squat: 319.6
Bench: 498.2
Deadlift: 380.3


If you showed these numbers to just about anyone who's trained with a barbell, they'd think for a 160 lbs competitor the 498 lbs was for DL, the 380 was squat and 319 was bench PR. That he's still at 1190 total seems insane considering how relatively weak his squat and DL numbers are for a PL competitor.
 
Thanks again man. I guess it’s obvious really, the guy is training for competition so you perform to the best of your ability within the parameters of that competition, yeah why would he make it harder on himself to lift the same weight and therefore not win?
I suppose regular guys like me who are just training to get stronger and in shape, we see these amazing numbers like 73kg BW lifting 200+kg and go WHAAAT??? Then see a video, and go, ‘oh hang on, he’s doing it totally differently to me?’, then you ask yourself ‘if I did it that way I reckon I could lift more than I can doing it the way I currently do...?’, then you try to emulate and get injured, or realise that you’re not getting stronger in the same way...
I don’t really know what my point is, I guess I’ll just stick to what I’m doing as I’m not getting injured and I feel pretty good.
I just look at those competition numbers and feel a bit pathetic!
You also won't necessarily bench more using his style- just like some people pull more conventional than sumo. I'm always much weaker with a wide grip in bench (and wide stance in deadlift), even with the shortened range of motion.

Cauchi has an informative vid on the "Japanese grip".


It's worth trying for curiosity's sake. Chances are you'll bench much less using this method and it'll hurt like hell. But if you master it, it can be a big advantage.
 
I dunno about others but man, that range of motion? That’s like half a rep. The weight is very impressive but I think I’d be more impressed with someone at 73kg BW lifting 150kg with strict form and shoulder width grip and full range down to the chest and to full extension with no bounce. Isn’t that how it should be done? I’m probably just jealous cos all I could do after a year training was 70kg for sets of 6 reps full range with no spotter. So weak!!
Ok how about this guy. 200kg x5. Not very known since he competed for a short period and left the scene, but he's broken the 500 lb barrier on bench at 165 lbs in competition. He has a training vid benching 507x2 touch and go. Similar technique as the legendary Rick Weil although Weil was a extremely flat back bencher.
 
Ok how about this guy. 200kg x5. Not very known since he competed for a short period and left the scene, but he's broken the 500 lb barrier on bench at 165 lbs in competition. He has a training vid benching 507x2 touch and go. Similar technique as the legendary Rick Weil although Weil was a extremely flat back bencher.

Wow. Now that’s what I’m talking about!!!
 
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