Opinion 15 Minute Cities

[RoastBeast]

This is how cities were built for most of human history, at human scale instead of at the scale of an automobile.

Its people like you who want to force their way of life on everyone else by blocking investments in public transit and imposing highly restrictive zoning laws on everyone else.

Here's a few examples; let's say I buy a single family house in your neighborhood and I want to renovate it into fourplex, should I be allowed to? Let's say I say I want to open up a business and I don't feel like building parking spaces, should I be allowed to? Let's say I want to convert my garage to a cafe in the middle of a residential neighborhood, should I be allowed to?

What is this strawman? I never said investments should be blocked and that zoning laws need to be highly restrictive.

If you want to build a business with no parking spaces, then go ahead. That's on you if your business fails due to access difficulty.

You've got yourself into a hypocritical situation here because in previous posts you were saying we needed to go your route because there would be less crime but now you're looking to up crime in areas that don't have as much crime by rezoning into fourplex housing. If that's how you want it, then go ahead. I'll simply just convert my shit into a fourplex and move out as well. The rich get richer, the poor stay poor and a once good neighborhood becomes more crime ridden.

Fourplex housing is really your answer to getting closer to a utopian society?

 

[lsa]

Didnt this model basically exist in villages that were usual built around some factory or mines etc?.Atleast when i was a kid everything was 10 min bike ride away and everyone worked at village factory

(Not anymore since factory closed, services left and everyone started using meth)

Pretty much, Helsinki also has that strategi.
I think its "natural" in most of the Nordic cities. Its always been like that.
Easy to get around and most stuff you need are with in walking or biking distance.

 

[NoSmilez]

Didnt this model basically exist in villages that were usual built around some factory or mines etc?.Atleast when i was a kid everything was 10 min bike ride away and everyone worked at village factory

(Not anymore since factory closed, services left and everyone started using meth)

I think people are confused about what it is. It's not about packing more people into an area. It's about making each area more self sufficient. It's like bringing the concept of the town and making it work for modern life. You just pretty much work closer to home and you do your shopping close by. You will get more local stores and main streets will come back instead of more Walmarts. I think people are freaking out because of a possible road restrictions into the city or some sort of car toll to keep congestion at a minimum. The concept itself doesn't work if there is no investment in public transportation.

 

[lsa]

A lot of red buildings.

Not many cars.

Communist.

Hellscape.

True true.
But to be fair there is a lot of traffic.

 

[Scerpi]

How long do you think it'd take you to walk or bike that distance?

I bike quite often to my local venues. My gym and several restaurants on the water are close by

How many people actually walk or bike to say… the grocery store or shopping.

If there’s a good compromise, my mom lives in The Villages in Florida and drives her electric golf cart to almost everything.

It’s a cool set up there

 

[Starck]

Fifteen minute cities are the future, like it or not. Suburban sprawl isn't a sustainable model. Any country relying on such a model is just shooting itself in the foot. The amount of waste of resources involved is ridiculous.

 

[RoastBeast]

This is a 15min city

Here is another 15min city in another country

I know you probably find it hard to believe, but I would absolutely hate to live in either of those places.

If you enjoy being packed in that close with other people, then more power to you. I would be incredibly depressed living in a city like that. I like having space and enjoying my hobbies that I like to enjoy that require space. Having the freedom to do that is a nice thing. Just like your freedom to live in a concrete jungle if that's what you like. If being able to walk to a restaurant or bar is what makes you happy, then by all means go do that.

If I want to live 15 minutes away from a restaurant or bar because I don't want neighbors within arms reach of me, what's the problem with that?

 

[lsa]

I think people are confused about what it is. It's not about packing more people into an area. It's about making each area more self sufficient. It's like bringing the concept of the town and making it work for modern life. You just pretty much work closer to home and you do your shopping close by. You will get more local stores and main streets will come back instead of more Walmarts. I think people are freaking out because of a possible road restrictions into the city or some sort of car toll to keep congestion at a minimum. The concept itself doesn't work if there is no investment in public transportation.

"The concept of 15-minute cities suggests that all services, amenities, and leisure facilities are accessible within a 15-20 minute walk or cycle from a person’s front door. It means cars aren’t needed to go to the shops, get a haircut, or work out, and the overall aim is to improve a sense of community in local areas, reduce pollution and increase health and fitness."

Sounds like hell to me

That is actually what my city is like.
I have at least 4 doctors, 6 big grocery stores, +6 hairdressers, 2 shopping malls, several gyms, with in 20min walk from me. If we add biking 20min the list would be a lot longer

 

[Cole train]

Pretty much, Helsinki also has that strategi.
I think its "natural" in most of the Nordic cities. Its always been like that.
Easy to get around and most stuff you need are with in walking or biking distance.

Capital is 50/50 or more accurately some neighbourhoods are built with it in mind and some are not.I live in one where everything is under 3 minutes walk away but used to live in place where car was necessary.

Central euro in my experience does this better, like in prague you literally dont need a car from my experience can just walk everywhere 90 percent of time

 

[Islam Imamate]

What is this strawman? I never said investments should be blocked and that zoning laws need to be highly restrictive.

If you want to build a business with no parking spaces, then go ahead. That's on you if your business fails due to access difficulty.

You've got yourself into a hypocritical situation here because in previous posts you were saying we needed to go your route because there would be less crime but now you're looking to up crime in areas that don't have as much crime by rezoning into fourplex housing. If that's how you want it, then go ahead. I'll simply just convert my shit into a fourplex and move out as well. The rich get richer, the poor stay poor and a once good neighborhood becomes more crime ridden.

Fourplex housing is really your answer to getting closer to a utopian society?

All those things I mentioned are illegal and that's the status quo of "freedom" you're defending. All I'm saying is that those things should be legal.

I bike quite often to my local venues. My gym and several restaurants on the water are close by

How many people actually walk or bike to say… the grocery store or shopping.

If there’s a good compromise, my mom lives in The Villages in Florida and drives her electric golf cart to almost everything.

It’s a cool set up there

In the US not many because we generally lack safe bike infrastructure and the distances are generally too far to make biking feasible for msot people

I like the idea of electric golf carts as an alternative to cars. Obese Americans hate the idea of walking or cycling so I think electric golf carts are a far easier sell. They also reduce a lot of the negative effects of full sized cars; they take up far less space, they are significantly slower meaning accidents are a lot less deadly and they more easily coexist with bikes, and they're electric so they don't generate noise and air pollution.

 

[lsa]

I know you probably find it hard to believe, but I would absolutely hate to live in either of those places.

If you enjoy being packed in that close with other people, then more power to you. I would be incredibly depressed living in a city like that. I like having space and enjoying my hobbies that I like to enjoy that require space. Having the freedom to do that is a nice thing. Just like your freedom to live in a concrete jungle if that's what you like. If being able to walk to a restaurant or bar is what makes you happy, then by all means go do that.

If I want to live 15 minutes away from a restaurant or bar because I don't want neighbors within arms reach of me, what's the problem with that?

So you live in the country side and yet have very strong feelings about cities you would hate to live in?
Its was just pretty clear from your post you dont understand what a 15min city is.
Feel free to hate living in cities like the ones I posted, but they are so called 15min cities and far from some jam packed hell holes that are ruled with an iron fist and people are not allowed to drive or own a car.

 

[NoSmilez]

This is a 15min city

Here is another 15min city in another country

The horror! Judge Dred housing.

 

[lsa]

The horror! Judge Dred housing.

This is from a city that is known as Swedens bike city.
Been around since 990 AD. They have had a bike focus for many years, its also a uni city so lots of students.
And lots of international students. So again 15 - 20min to everything (more or less) by bike or walking.

 

[Deleted member 585708]

I know you probably find it hard to believe, but I would absolutely hate to live in either of those places.

If you enjoy being packed in that close with other people, then more power to you. I would be incredibly depressed living in a city like that. I like having space and enjoying my hobbies that I like to enjoy that require space. Having the freedom to do that is a nice thing. Just like your freedom to live in a concrete jungle if that's what you like. If being able to walk to a restaurant or bar is what makes you happy, then by all means go do that.

If I want to live 15 minutes away from a restaurant or bar because I don't want neighbors within arms reach of me, what's the problem with that?

15 minute cities are nothing to do with 'packed together' LMAO

The idea is more local amenities, come on lad

 

[NoSmilez]

This is from a city that is known as Swedens bike city.
Been around since 990. They have had a bike focus for many years, its also a uni city so lots of students.
And lots of international students. So again 15 - 20min to everything (more or less) by bike or walking.

I know this place. My former roommate is from there. It should be Lund? LOL he was freaking out when he moved to D.C to study. I didn't help by telling him he is going to die walking around there.

 

[lsa]

I know this place. My former roommate is from there. It should be Lund? LOL he was freaking out when he moved to D.C to study. I didn't help by telling him he is going to die walking around there.

LOL
Yeah its Lund. I hate the place.
I cant find my way around there.
Lots of tech and medtech companies.

 

[NoSmilez]

LOL
Yeah its Lund. I hate the place.
I cant find my way around there.
Lots of tech and medtech companies.

It is honestly far from a concrete jungle. If someone considers that hell for them then they enjoy rural life. There is nothing wrong with living in a rural area either but they shouldn't feel so strongly about improving urban planning. It's really trying to unclog cities and improve quality of life around there.

 

[lsa]

It is honestly far from a concrete jungle. If someone considers that hell for them then they enjoy rural life. There is nothing wrong with living in a rural area either but they shouldn't feel so strongly about improving urban planning. It's really trying to unclog cities and improve quality of life around there.

+juan.
Also if you live in a concreate jungle maybe having the 15min approach could help out.
Less traffic, less noise, less polution and maybe more places to plant and make it green
Make some parklet out of the parking space

 

[Islam Imamate]

It is honestly far from a concrete jungle. If someone considers that hell for them then they enjoy rural life. There is nothing wrong with living in a rural area either but they shouldn't feel so strongly about improving urban planning. It's really trying to unclog cities and improve quality of life around there.

People like that have a deep sense of entitlement. They want to be able to live in the outskirts of the city but also to be able to drive to any area of the city center and have convenient parking even if it means making life worse for those who live in the city.

 

[BlankaPresident]

I rarely ever throw out the word communism but what you're advocating for is basically communism.