Crime 1000 Muslims descend on Cologne train station to rape and grope women.

[Ruprecht]

Not really. I could reference video where Muslims were tired of the news reporting offenders as Muslims instead of Asians. The news started calling suspected perps Asians, which angered the Sikhs and other groups from that region. The issue is more complicated than your version.

And the Tweets were from real people, unless you say they aren't. The tweets quoted actually bring up excellent points (that are also feminist in nature). If you don't think that's proper journalism, then we agree. But it doesn't mean the tweets don't have veracity. I just don't think respected articles should bring up tweets from Joe Public, but I didn't post it as some sort of respectable,, Associated Press article, either.

The British press has always referred to them as Asians. I mean sure... there's no doubt a bunch of Brits complaining that they didn't call them "Pakis". By all means, show me where this "started" as a PC conspiracy.
They posted the tweets without referencing their content, "Under sharia law, it's OK to rape any non-Muslim woman because they are "infidels."
Piss poor even by tabloid standards, about par for American political blogs commenting on issues in Europe.

 

[in the]

The British press has always referred to them as Asians. I mean sure... there's no doubt a bunch of Brits complaining that they didn't call them "Pakis". By all means, show me where this "started" as a PC conspiracy.
They posted the tweets without referencing their content, "Under sharia law, it's OK to rape any non-Muslim woman because they are "infidels."
Piss poor even by tabloid standards, about par for American political blogs commenting on issues in Europe.

Please. I never said it started as a PC conspiracy. If you had a bone of veracity in your body, you wouldn't burn such a straw man and skew what I actually said. But if you want proof of what I actually said, here it is:

Notice that in the video, the complaint was that the news reported offenders (which disproportionally are Muslim/Pakistani) as being Muslim in origin, looping all Muslims in the same category. Not long after this, it was pretty commonplace for British media to identify the people continuing this wave of crime as being "Asian" in nature, which is code for Muslim. I'm not hard line on this, as it's going to be hard to report on the truth as long as they keep denying some problems come from certain communities, such as Pakistanis. But regardless, whether they use "Muslim" or "Asian" to describe the assailants, and refuse to use precise terminology (as the Pakistani Muslim immigrants involved in the Rotherham grooming incident where over 1,400 young girls were sexually trafficked in a phile ring) to describe the problem, they deserve ridicule for not being precise with their terminology so it didn't become offensive.

 

[Ruprecht]

Please. I never said it started as a PC conspiracy. If you had a bone of veracity in your body, you wouldn't burn such a straw man and skew what I actually said. But if you want proof of what I actually said, here it is:

I never said you did, I was referring to the "article" you posted, " In the U.K., the press refers to Muslim criminals as "Asian" instead of "Arab" or "Muslim" so as to not anger its large Muslim population." That is an anti-PC conspiracy theory. It's BS.

Notice that in the video, the complaint was that the news reported offenders (which disproportionally are Muslim/Pakistani) as being Muslim in origin, looping all Muslims in the same category. Not long after this, it was pretty commonplace for British media to identify the people continuing this wave of crime as being "Asian" in nature, which is code for Muslim. I'm not hard line on this, as it's going to be hard to report on the truth as long as they keep denying some problems come from certain communities, such as Pakistanis. But regardless, whether they use "Muslim" or "Asian" to describe the assailants, and refuse to use precise terminology (as the Pakistani Muslim immigrants involved in the Rotherham grooming incident where over 1,400 young girls were sexually trafficked in a phile ring) to describe the problem, they deserve ridicule for not being precise with their terminology so it didn't become offensive.

The video (from 2 years ago) shows a guy complaining that the media did label Muslims as Muslims, even when their religion wasn't an issue in the specific case, and you're trying to say that because of this the British media has stopped? Clearly you don't read British news.
...and now you've repeated the same PC conspiracy theory, that the British media is using Asian to avoid being offensive, rather than the fact that they use "Asian" all the time when there's a group of asians (in the UK useage).
You think the Telegraph used "Asian" to avoid being offensive? Hah! The Telegraph... Did you read the article?

 

[in the]

I never said you did, I was referring to the "article" you posted, " In the U.K., the press refers to Muslim criminals as "Asian" instead of "Arab" or "Muslim" so as to not anger its large Muslim population." That is an anti-PC conspiracy theory. It's BS.



The video (from 2 years ago) shows a guy complaining that the media did label Muslims as Muslims, even when their religion wasn't an issue in the specific case, and you're trying to say that because of this the British media has stopped? Clearly you don't read British news.
...and now you've repeated the same PC conspiracy theory, that the British media is afraid to identify them, rather than the fact that they use "Asian" all the time when there's a group of asians (in the UK useage).

You admit they use "Asian" to water down the fact that most of the people reported for those crimes are Pakistani Muslims, then claim it isn't a conspiracy. I guess it isn't a conspiracy theory, but the point I've tried to make is that it is an organized way of dispersing suspects while tiptoeing around the fact that most of them are Muslim, or from Muslim nations. I don't know how plain I could make that. And yes, Muslims were tired of being labeled with the same brush as those who are criminals, so the brush was widened to simply say "Asian," but Asian includes Sikhs, who aren't part of the crime wave. What's your problem with what I said? You are basically confirming everything I've written at this point while glibly stating I don't read British news while your admissions state otherwise.

 

[Ruprecht]

You admit they use "Asian" to water down the fact that most of the people reported for those crimes are Pakistani Muslims, then claim it isn't a conspiracy. I guess it isn't a conspiracy theory, but the point I've tried to make is that it is an organized way of dispersing suspects while tiptoeing around the fact that most of them are Muslim, or from Muslim nations. I don't know how plain I could make that. And yes, Muslims were tired of being labeled with the same brush as those who are criminals, so the brush was widened to simply say "Asian," but Asian includes Sikhs, who aren't part of the crime wave. What's your problem with what I said? You are basically confirming everything I've written at this point while glibly stating I don't read British news while your admissions state otherwise.

What? I never said anything about "watering down". They use "Asian" when there's a group (which at least appears to be) from the subcontinent and they aren't sure of their exact origin, or when they are from more than one country.
The article you posted used "Asian" in the title, but then went on to specifically set out that they were mostly Muslims of Pakistani heritage. If you think the Telegraph was being PC by using "Asian", then yeah, I don't think you read British news. I mean, I guess they could have gone with "Paki", after all a lot of Brits use that as a catch-all for Muslims from anywhere on the subcontinent.
The problem is that the idea that the British media won't call Muslims Muslims (or Arabs!) out of fear of offending Muslims... is nonsense.

 

[Terminal Strike]

I'm positive he's lying. I've called him uneducated (which he clearly is) at least 100 times and as defensive as he is, he never once mentioned university of Guam. IF....IF he did go there it was for one class because this dude is in no way highly educated.

I am glad there's a fake historian here with a fake degree because according to leklok, I have a fake degree too so I'm glad I not the only one.

Dude, why are you getting so bent out of shape about this guy?

He's trolling on 22's, he's a master-baiter.

He'll probably respond to this post implying that I only accused him of trolling to deflect the truth of his words or some shit.

He's probably just a bored, mildly bemused guy with nothing better to do than watch people flip out, like me.

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

So let me get this straight ... Leklok studied History of Guam at Guam University and calls other people's degrees worthless?

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On topic. I was at the Stuttgart Main Station yesterday. And the amount of North Africans (likely Algerians or Moroccans) lurking was noticeably higher than last month. This is also reflected in the latest refugee figures. People from the Balkans have stopped coming. But now people from North Africa come via the Turkey Route.

I still believe it is the right thing to help people seeking refuge from persecution, torture and murder. But I see that

a) our external borders cannot be secured
b) Germany is unable to ensure speedy asylum processing (and if we cannot do it, who will?)
c) asylum should always be a temporary measure if possible IMO
d) those coming in see that hiding in the mass of people will get you what you want (whether it is crossing borders or committing crimes)
e) those from countries that increase likelihood of a justified asylum claim will be hard to deport as there are high hurdles in the respective UN convention (in Germany it translates to a sentence of at least 3 years in jail before you get deported) - I do not want people to get deported just because they steal chewing gum. But crimes against other people's physical integrity must result in loss of your status unless there is some sort of excuse one can buy (certainly not the case in Cologne)
f) the majority of those committing the Cologne crimes were likely not recent refugees (I will assume), but still highlight the cultural impact of large-scale migration
g) I do feel for the refugee families I see in the asylum shelter in my town who now will face increased scrutiny, but I equally feel for the women who were targeted in Cologne, Hamburg and Stuttgart.

Cologne will likely not have consequences for individual perpetrators. But certainly there will be tougher laws as an outcome because the government needs to react if they do not want to feed the far right voters.

Interesting. Now that you mention it I have also seen more North Africans than usual in the main stations that I frequent (Francfort & Munich).

In Munich what I noticed mostly is the huge number of Erithreans (or other people of the Somalian variety). They are all over the main station. Also many Afghans chilling around in the station.

 

[Hard To Tell]

Ralf Jaeger, interior minister for North Rhine-Westphalia, has said "What happens on the right-wing platforms and in chat rooms is at least as awful as the acts of those assaulting the women, this is poisoning the climate of our society"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35248601

Wow, just wow.

 

[ironwolf]

Dude, why are you getting so bent out of shape about this guy?

He's trolling on 22's, he's a master-baiter.

He'll probably respond to this post implying that I only accused him of trolling to deflect the truth of his words or some shit.

He's probably just a bored, mildly bemused guy with nothing better to do than watch people flip out, like me.

I'm not bent out of shape at all. Tooling him has just sort of become a hobby of mine.

 

[Terminal Strike]

I'm not bent out of shape at all. Tooling him has just sort of become a hobby of mine.

In that case, carry on.

 

[Bald1]

Ralf Jaeger, interior minister for North Rhine-Westphalia, has said "What happens on the right-wing platforms and in chat rooms is at least as awful as the acts of those assaulting the women, this is poisoning the climate of our society"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35248601

Wow, just wow.

It's always nice when idiots out themselves so willingly. This stunned fuck needs to be unemployed if he can't figure out that physical molestation is more harmful than verbal outrage. I mean, isn't hands on abuse more detrimental to a peaceful society than anger about said abuse?

 

[V Belfort]

It's always nice when idiots out themselves so willingly. This stunned fuck needs to be unemployed if he can't figure out that physical molestation is more harmful than verbal outrage. I think hands on abuse is more harmful to a peaceful society than anger about said abuse.

This is standard, he wont face criticism.

http://www.welt.de/politik/deutschl...en-waren-frisch-eingereiste-Asylbewerber.html

mostly immigrants from Syria, another 1,5 million will be here this year.

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

It's always nice when idiots out themselves so willingly. This stunned fuck needs to be unemployed if he can't figure out that physical molestation is more harmful than verbal outrage. I mean, isn't hands on abuse more detrimental to a peaceful society than anger about said abuse?

I hope this POS loses his job for saying something like that. It just shows how disconnected with reality and ideological he is.

 

[Bald1]

I hope this POS loses his job for saying something like that. It just shows how disconnected with reality and ideological he is.

I wonder how quickly he'd reconnect with reality if he was manhandled by a crowd of migrants? Or, if one of the girls in the story was a relative of his. Ideology has a way of becoming meaningless when its unforseen consequences smack you between the eyes.

This is standard, he wont face criticism.
...

And that's just sad.

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

Ralf Jaeger, interior minister for North Rhine-Westphalia, has said "What happens on the right-wing platforms and in chat rooms is at least as awful as the acts of those assaulting the women, this is poisoning the climate of our society"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35248601

Wow, just wow.

This is fuckin insane. Thanks for posting. As far as I know, this wasn't reported in the German media.

 

[Lord of Lies]

Yay, diversity!

 

[Hard To Tell]

And meanwhile, Merkel want's to break down people's doors and have them taken away for posting anything anti-immigration or anti-refugee on facebook.

 

[ShinkanPo]

Filipinos aren't white, that's what you apparently don't get. You said the islands were repopulated by whites....

Filipinos are brown on the outside by white inside.
Here is a pic of a bunch of Filipinos.

Spoiler: Bunch of Filipinos

 

[JDragon]

I wish there was another way to interpret what is and was happening, but to me it is clear. Police and politics were trying to bury this story. The local media were reporting on it soon, though, and together with social media the story became bigger and bigger.

According to police unions and anonymous cops, it is not correct that there were no identified suspects and no arrests. It is not correct that police do not know who did this. It is also not true that the majority of the perpetrators was of North African descent, which implied that established Algerian gangs were responsible. Instead, a large part obviously were Syrian (or "Syrian", who knows) males with asylum seeker status. And finally, while there was theft, police union speakers disagreed with the notion that the sexual assaults were just distraction and not prime motivation.

All this taken together pains me, but I feel that this story was supposed to be buried, and when it could not be buried any more, it was misconstrued because it was clear that it would feed into the far right and would hurt the federal government's refugee policy.

 

[snakedafunky]

This might has been the turning point. The German media did its best to avoid any negative reports of refugees. But even the left wing media had to report this one.

This will turn violent very quickly now. Everyone will be a loser at the end.

Not sure how anyone could think letting 1 Million mostly Arab man into Germany wont end it complete disaster?
Europe should have built a fence around its boarders when this all started. Now once the public pressure gets to high, I think that will take 6 months or 1 year longer, you have to catch them all again in order to sent them home. This will make nice pictures the German police hunting down a minority and putting them into camps to be sent back home.

Again when its all said and done everyone will be a big loser.

Everyone living in the real world knew this would be outcome.