Media “When Charles Oliveira feels the pressure and power, he gives up. Always” ~ Islam Makhachev

Do you think Islam is right?

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JKS said:
Didn't I tell you to beat it? What are you still doing here lol
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Sherdogging. Do you think Chandler's low fight IQ can be coached away or is that something with him now? I personally think its too much of that motivation nonsense. He thinks if hes motivated enough he cant be stopped. IQ be damned.
 
more dagestani lies.

just like khabib saying he is done with the fight game and all that nonsense.
 
pinero said:
Hmmm...Khabib is done fighting...o_O
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yeah, he said he was done traveling to coach and support fighters too.

now he is in islams training camp.

he probably didn't like the look on islams face in the fifth round vs volk.
 
AMAZINGUFC said:






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Makhashev is right....
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Both those videos mention that the arm triangle isn't quite correct.You can see that they are higher up than Islam was in both. It's just a face crank at that point. It's not the same position as Islam's was vs Charles.
 
tramendous said:
Yes he is very reckless and isn't very meticulous. The straight punches worked and then he stopped doing them because his fight IQ is low. Other fighters like Poirier feel the same. Stop being an outrage whore like Im saying things nobody else sees. This is all very obvious.
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But Chandler had Dustin hurt. Most fighters go with their Ace of Spades when they have their opponent hurt.
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Chandler’s short punches worked wonders for him against Hooker (a Left Hook led to the KO), Olivera (a Left Hook rocked Charles and led to a telegraphed takedown attempt) (Then later in R1, a series of Rights Hooks led to a knockdown).

By the time Chandler fought Gaethje he had developed a decent jab & offensive leg kicks, but here is the thing …

Chandler’s 1-2 didn’t do anything except win him R1 against Gaethje. Against elite guys there’s no guarantee that his 1-2 will get the finish, thus it’s not stupid if he relies on pressure & power to finish his opponents off (pause). Even in the Poirier fight Chandler landed some decent Right Hooks to the body & caught Dustin with a counter Right Overhand (the last time he hurts Dustin in R1).

Regardless of Dustin’s comments there’s no guarantee that Chandler would’ve finished him with his 1-2. Great athletes are hit or miss when it comes to quality Sports analysis/commentary. Great fighters are no different, how many hot takes has a fighter had concerning their own bouts? Conor said he was winning on the feet, Nick said he won every round against Anderson, TJ thought he could win with a compromised shoulder …
 
CedricBee said:
Regardless of Dustin’s comments there’s no guarantee that Chandler would’ve finished him with his 1-2. Great athletes are hit or miss when it comes to quality Sports analysis/commentary. Great fighters are no different, how many hot takes has a fighter had concerning their own bouts? Conor said he was winning on the feet, Nick said he won every round against Anderson, TJ thought he could win with a compromised shoulder …
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Thats the thing, there is no guarantee in anything but I think the guy who was about to lose the fight saying he would've definitely lost if the other guy kept doing X and is bewildered why he didn't, that says a lot. Its like when I play strategy games, sometimes opponent pressures you and then makes a bone headed move and stops doing the thing that would kill you. It happens because they dont have a very good perception of the situation.
 
He quits on the ground, not standing.

If he faces adversity standing, he sits.

If the opponent engages his guard and shuts it down methodically, he still quits (Felder, Makachev).
 
tramendous said:
Thats the thing, there is no guarantee in anything but I think the guy who was about to lose the fight saying he would've definitely lost if the other guy kept doing X and is bewildered why he didn't, that says a lot. Its like when I play strategy games, sometimes opponent pressures you and then makes a bone headed move and stops doing the thing that would kill you. It happens because they dont have a very good perception of the situation.
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Except that …

1) Chandler has questionable cardio, compared to Dustin’s cardio which is great. It’s reasonable to say Chandler’s skill set would come up short against Dustin’s even if they fought a series of fights.

2) Dustin was hurt against Max (rematch) in either R3 or R4 and defended against his Boxing (which is great Offensively). According to Dustin, Conor had him hurt in their second fight (R2 iirc) but Dustin’s overall skill set was enough to weather the storm.

3) Dustin shows the similar heart and cardio that Gaethje has; which was enough to survive a tough first round against a Michael Chandler that threw plenty of 1-2’s.

Bottom line: Chandler’s short punches finished Hooker, and won the first round against Gaethje & Olivera. I see no problem with him going to that, when he had Dustin hurt. In general I have a hard time seeing Chandler take that bout period; Dustin’s chin, toughness, cardio and Boxing should be enough to weather the storm (even if they matched up hypothetically a series of times). Lastly, Chandler mixing in the wrestling actually showed a savvier Michael Chandler. What if Dustin was just the better fighter?
 
tramendous said:
Sherdogging. Do you think Chandler's low fight IQ can be coached away or is that something with him now? I personally think its too much of that motivation nonsense. He thinks if hes motivated enough he cant be stopped. IQ be damned.
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Why don't you tell me?? Clearly you have low IQ in general.
 
AMAZINGUFC said:
Hey, I really like Oliveira a lot, but you trying to argue to me that he didn't quit quickly is like saying that water isn't wet, fire doesn't burn, having a submission locked in doesn't mean, doesn't justify immediate surrender; there he tapped quickly, and there are many examples of that. Arguing against what we watched is just denying reality.


Makhashev is right.
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Once again, you clearly don't understand grappling and what a quick tap is. Olivera by no means tapped quickly, when you attempt escapes and fight the submisison and the are out of options, you tap. Defending a submission for 8 seconds is certainly not tapping quickly. I showed you 4 other examples of fighter tapping much faster to submissions without defending. I mentioned Dober tapped to the same submission, in half the time.

Sorry pal, you just don't know what you're talking about.
 
tramendous said:
If i did youd be defending me tooth and nail like you defend chandler <JonesLaugh>
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I somehow doubt that considering I’ve criticized your judgment in this the entire thread.

Anyhow, it’s done brother. Move on
 
Desji said:
He quits on the ground, not standing.

If he faces adversity standing, he sits.

If the opponent engages his guard and shuts it down methodically, he still quits (Felder, Makachev).
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What about Chandler? He engaged his guard for 3 mins after knocking him down, landing hard GNP and then got KO'd the next round.

Charles quitting is a load of S##t. He submits or gets finished just like everyone else. It's not quitting, it's just losing.
 
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