Media “When Charles Oliveira feels the pressure and power, he gives up. Always” ~ Islam Makhachev

Do you think Islam is right?


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I like Islam, but calling out Charles heart is starting to turn into a sort of “Do Bronx” curse.

His last three opponents who questioned his heart all ended up on the receiving end of some amazing comeback finishes.

the difference here is that Islam was the only one who was able to capitalize when the fight hit the ground because he wasn’t scared of his BJJ.

if Charles tightens up his striking defense (and I doubt he does), then it’ll be an interesting night.

I still got Islam tho. He’s a more cerebral fighter who doesn’t make unforced errors

What about Chandler?? Are we only counting the times that someone hurt Chalres and finished him on the ground? Or are we going to consider the times when he was hurt and his opponent went after him for the finish but Charles fought through it and came back to win?
 
Just out of curiosity, maybe someone knows this better:
Does a fighter face more serious health issues if he decides to go unconscious to a choke versus tapping?
 
Charles is much more tough now, he is certainly a lot tougher. Its more about his defensive BJJ which is really poor, he has been submitted many times in UFC, rather than being knocked out. He needs to improve that aspect so much and not give up submissions so easily, he is way too easy to tap.

I don't know why but no one really talks about this aspect. they only talk about his amazing BJJ skills, but for me he is way too easy to tap. I can't imagine Werdum or Maia just for example ever getting in those positions. Charles needs to improve this or he will get tapped out again I think
same goes with his striking defense. it's not the best, he gets hit way too hard way too often.
 
While it might make sense where islam comes from.. olives grew up as a prospect in the ufc..

People don't seem to understand this basic concept. Which is why I find the comparisons of him to guys like werdum, maia, and jacare unfair considering they were well established BJJ champs before getting into mma and they didn't start facing ufc level talent until they were older. Charles was just some 21 year old poor kid from the favelas who did BJJ for fun growing up when he got into the ufc, not some world BJJ champ
 
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People don't seem to understand this basic concept. Which is why I find the comparisons of him to guys like werdum, maia, and jacare weird, considering they were well establish BJJ champs before getting into mma and they didn't start facing ufc level talent until they were older. Charles was just some 21 year old poor kid from the favelas who did BJJ for fun growing up when he got into the ufc, not some world BJJ champ

Yeah.. not bitching about islams opinion.. the guy probably faced some gnarly demons himself..

It's just olivieiras product has been under the microscope for his entire growth.. won most, lost some but always broadcasted to the world..
 
Alot of people like him,and he is the champ. When your the champ you can talk shit,otherwise whats the point?

"Sorry guys cant talk shit or Cooliox brother will get mad"
Did you hear GSP or Fedor talking shit?

Islam has the right to talk shit. But then don't pretend to be a humble guy or classy guy... especially when what you're saying is objectively false.
 
You're bending Islam's words to make them more thoughtful than they were. He explicitly said that Charles always gives up when he feels pressure and power, making sure to hammer home that exact point by making "always" a standalone sentence, and that's factually incorrect as he's come back from being hurt against several of the top fighters in the division.
exactly
 
“Who give these guys black belt? We need to check this!”
Islam “Columbo” Makhachev
 
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So what about Chandler??? Here's the fight...



He rocked him and knocked him down and then went after him with GNP, he was on top for 3 mins trying to finish him on the ground, in Charles guard. Charles took a load of hard shots on his back. Then round 2 he comes out on fire and finishes the fight.

So what now????


-Chandler has low fight IQ
-The round ending gave Charles a chance to properly recover
 
Worth mentioning too that he had his shit rocked mere moments before, who knows where his mind was at

100% agree. It's almost like doing BJJ whilst being punched in the face is harder.
 
We've all watched hundreds of thousands of fights here, and we know what a kata-gatame is and can observe how fighters react to various opponents and pressures.
There's so much defense we've seen many fighters resist and escape...

Oliveira gave up quickly here, that's a fact!

Don't deny reality or pretend to be ignorant.

Ignore if you just started watching fights yesterday or if you're just a fan of Chute Boxe Diego Lima...

Look at my account start date... I started watching MMA nearly a decade before you most likely and was training before I started posting here.

Anyone that has trained knows that person who has an incredible arm triangle. Every gym has one.
Sometimes it's just a crank and you can fight out of it, sometimes it's just on and you have to tap instantly.

That wasn't a case of quitting. That was a case of getting dropped and caught in a submission. Charles made an entire career out of it and it's how he has the most subs in the UFC.

He doesn't tap until Islam clears his guard and his defences are gone. It's not an instant tap at all, he just doesn't pull off his escape attempt and taps as his legs are cleared. The defences are gone at the point he gets flattened out with his arm above his head with no guard. It's done at that point for 99% of the population.

Finishing sequence below. He was doing alright until he threw that stupid jumping knee.
 
-Chandler has low fight IQ
-The round ending gave Charles a chance to properly recover

so he’s got low fight iq based on what exactly??

And round ended?? Lol, he was in his guard for 3 mins.

You’re doing more gymnastics than a Russian Olympic team lol

that’s a fail buddy
 
the Gaethje and Poirier fights. Even Poirier said he if just kept throwing straight punches he woulda won.

So he's got bad fight IQ cause he doesn't throw straight punches?? So what does that say about most of the UFC roster lol. You're reaching my friend, reaching really hard.

Chandler is an entertainer no question but overall he is a very smart fighter. In both those fights you mentioned he fought very well and applied the right game plan. Particularly in the Poirier fight he had a very good strategy and made good adjustments. The problem is that those guys were just better than him. And Chandlers career goes beyond two fights my friend. You're labeling him with bad fight IQ based on two fights when he demonstrated good IQ in his career.
 
We've all watched hundreds of thousands of fights here, and we know what a kata-gatame is and can observe how fighters react to various opponents and pressures.
There's so much defense we've seen many fighters resist and escape...

Oliveira gave up quickly here, that's a fact!

Don't deny reality or pretend to be ignorant.

Ignore if you just started watching fights yesterday or if you're just a fan of Chute Boxe Diego Lima...

LOL, you're calling people ignorant and denying reality, but yet can't grasp the actual concept of watching the fight and seeing what happened. And the fact you are saying Olivera tapped quickly shows that you ignored what happened and don't understand the sequences there.

The submission from the point of being applied to the the end lasted 10 seconds. From the start Olivera only had one arm to defend as his other arm was trapped in the triangle right away. He attempted to push off with his left arm but there was no way and then he attempted to roll to his side and give up his back but Islam passed to side mount and there no defense at that point. The thing about that choke is that it was sunk it pretty hard before Islam got side mount, it was tight a few seconds prior. Olivera tried to defend where there was room to roll to his back, but once Islam moved to his side that was it. And Islam has a very strong choke, he's a strong guy and the technique was very tight. Olivera knew there was no way out. He didn't tap quickly, he fought it for about 7-8 seconds when it was sunk in.
 
I strongly disagree. This late stage Oliveira has made a career of getting hurt and coming back. It's just he wasn't able to do it against Islam.
 
So he's got bad fight IQ cause he doesn't throw straight punches?? So what does that say about most of the UFC roster lol. You're reaching my friend, reaching really hard.

Yes he is very reckless and isn't very meticulous. The straight punches worked and then he stopped doing them because his fight IQ is low. Other fighters like Poirier feel the same. Stop being a outrage whore like Im saying things nobody else sees. This is all very obvious.
 
As others have mentioned, he came back from serious adversity vs Poirier, Gaethje, Chandler. To say he 'gives up always' when faced with pressure and power is just flat out wrong. You could say that about some fighters but not Charles Oliveira.
 
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