“We’re watching the ascendence of the HW GOAT right now” - DJ

[nonoob]

No ladyboys are filmed in This specific video.

 

[cmw43]

And how old was Stipe when he fought these geriatrics compared to their age?

• Stipe 32 Vs Hunt 41
• Stipe 30 Vs Big Country 37
• Stipe 35 Vs DC 39 (DCs back was shot and he had to retire after the Stipe fights)
• Stipe 33 Vs Werdum 38
• Stipe 33 Vs Arlovski 36 (I'd argue AA was years past his prime at this point after being KOd 10 times)
• Stipe 34 Vs Overeem 36 (Overeems 67th pro fight and 17th year in the sport Vs Stipes 18th pro fight and 6th year, hell of a lot of mileage difference.

 

[SuperAlly]

Stipe is widely considered UFC HW GOAT for his 3 title defences (a record) and his overall record. And rightly so i.m.o.

Given the nature of HW - and those who came before and their records - it wouldn't take much for Tom to be in the same conversation


Some will get butthurt, but if Tom achieved 4 - very possible - many will talk about him in the same conversation. If he gets 5 he'd probably be the consensus pick. And yeh, some would rail against that. But it wouldn't chage anything

 

[m249viking]

He still is.

 

[m249viking]

Stipe is widely considered UFC HW GOAT for his 3 title defences (a record) and his overall record. And rightly so i.m.o.

Given the nature of HW and those who came before and their records, it would take much for Tom to be in the same conversation


Some will get butthurt, but if Tom achieved 4 - very possible - many will talk about him in the same conversation. If he gets 5 he'd probably be the consensus pick. And yeh, some would rail against that. But it wouldn't chage anything

Oh stop. GOAT talk is out of control. The goat list is longer than the number of fighters casuals can name.

 

[SuperAlly]

Oh stop. GOAT talk is out of control. The goat list is longer than the number of fighters casuals can name.

No. Maybe. No.

 

[Karate Kid]

always had a pet peeve against this term casuals it is such coastal snark and usually by people who wait for it....never have trained MMA in there lives. I will die on that hill.

saying Stipe is the HW goat is by no means a stretch.

at all.

Tom has a big future but I do wonder how Aspinall fans feel on how inactive he can be as of late and how that will stand as he ages for he is in his prime.

then again he hasn't been in many fights so has little mileage let alone damage so there's that.

 

[TheGreenMachine]

It's not better than what Aspinall could potentially put forth. For 2 reasons. Eventually, if you string enough impressive wins together that can overcome a perceived weakness in a division. Yes, if the division stays the way it is that means Aspinall must do MORE than someone who fought at a time when the division was stronger. But that's not the same as saying "it's impossible in the current landscape for him to surpass ______". Because they're still top ranked guys for the era, and knocking them all out matters. He's not beating regional scrubs. He absolutely has to look more impressive and not slip up given the level of competition (his margin for error is smaller), but he can get there.
Also, the division can change. In 2-3 years we could (could, not saying will obviously) see an influx of talent that makes the division look much better. If he's beating a bunch of really good new-blood type guys, that could also tip the scales in his favor.

This isn't the case, and there is already a good example of it...DJ himself. Most people will never consider him THE GOAT just based on who he beat because a lot of the names were forgettable, never champions, or had mix win/loss ratios. Jones, Anderson, and GSP will almost always be ranked higher than him based on WHO they beat despite DJ having more title defenses than some of them. At HW, look at the level of competition Junior Dos Santos was beating on his way to the title and right after winning it. For some reason he doesn't get as much HW GOAT talk, but this resume probably beats anything Aspinall could ever do at HW because the names just aren't there right now or the foreseeable future. Same with the records of Ngannou, Stipe, Cormier, Cain, and Werdum. A lot of the fighters these guys were fighting went on to win the title at some point too.

JDS' Resume

 

[TheGreenMachine]

Lol no. Prime Volkov is easily worth more twilight Werdum. He beat him FFS.

Volkov will probably never, ever win the HW title. Werdum had his head taken clean off by JDS early on in the UFC, then went to Strikeforce, subbed Fedor (first person to really beat him) and then came back to the UFC to TKO Mark Hunt, sub Nogueira, and sub Cain to win the UFC HW title. Their records and legacies aren't comparable.

 

[clackers]

It depends on who he fights.
He was given the belt when Jon retired.

Right now there aren’t any big names in that division for him.

It’s still early days and he hasn't beaten anyone that is worth mentioning.

Look at Jones past opponents from Light heavyweight and the guys that DC and Stipe beat there are some goodnames in there. Look at Pereira opponents, lots of big names and former belt holders.

Heavyweight right now is ordinary.

You can’t be considered great if you haven’t beaten anyone great.

 

[SuperAlly]

Tom has a big future but I do wonder how Aspinall fans feel on how inactive he can be as of late and how that will stand as he ages for he is in his prime.

Good post in general, but does this not ignore the massive asterisk and context of our yellow feathered friend?

Outwith injury and Jones holding the belt hostages whilst the UFC wouldn't book the interim champ another fight, you can't really ever say he's been inactive

 

[SuperAlly]

This isn't the case, and there is already a good example of it...DJ himself. Most people will never consider him THE GOAT just based on who he beat because a lot of the names were forgettable, never champions, or had mix win/loss ratios. Jones, Anderson, and GSP will almost always be ranked higher than him based on WHO they beat despite DJ having more title defenses than some of them. At HW, look at the level of competition Junior Dos Santos was beating on his way to the title and right after winning it. For some reason he doesn't get as much HW GOAT talk, but this resume probably beats anything Aspinall could ever do at HW because the names just aren't there right now or the foreseeable future. Same with the records of Ngannou, Stipe, Cormier, Cain, and Werdum. A lot of the fighters these guys were fighting went on to win the title at some point too.

JDS' Resume

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I think it's more than DJ is in a manlet division

People always look at heavier divisions more fondly

 

[SuperAlly]

It depends on who he fights.
He was given the belt when Jon retired.

Right now there aren’t any big names in that division for him.

It’s still early days and he hasn't beaten anyone that is worth mentioning.

Look at Jones past opponents from Light heavyweight and the guys that DC and Stipe beat there are some goodnames in there. Look at Pereira opponents, lots of big names and former belt holders.

Heavyweight right now is ordinary.

You can’t be considered great if you haven’t beaten anyone great.

But you are mostly talking about LHW?

 

[TheGreenMachine]

I think it's more than DJ is in a manlet division

People always look at heavier divisions more fondly

Its not because Volk, Conor, Merab, Topuria, and Islam are all in lighter weight classes, but universally excepted as GOATs. Its because their competition were higher profile names.

 

[Gregoire1]

This is undoubtedly the future GOAT. There have only been a few such utter and monstrous ascents in the history of sport, and all of these people later took their place among the best of the best: Gane, Paolo Costa, Reyes, Carwin, Lesnar, Sandhagen.I'm right, I'll be accepted into the caste?

 

[SuperAlly]

Its not because Volk, Conor, Merab, Topuria, and Islam are all in lighter weight classes, but universally excepted as GOATs. Its because their competition were higher profile names.

Conor is universally "excepted" as GOAT?

I thought the conversation was about GOAT of the entire sport, not of their own division, which is an entirely different conversation

 

[mkess101]

This isn't the case, and there is already a good example of it...DJ himself. Most people will never consider him THE GOAT just based on who he beat because a lot of the names were forgettable, never champions, or had mix win/loss ratios. Jones, Anderson, and GSP will almost always be ranked higher than him based on WHO they beat despite DJ having more title defenses than some of them. At HW, look at the level of competition Junior Dos Santos was beating on his way to the title and right after winning it. For some reason he doesn't get as much HW GOAT talk, but this resume probably beats anything Aspinall could ever do at HW because the names just aren't there right now or the foreseeable future. Same with the records of Ngannou, Stipe, Cormier, Cain, and Werdum. A lot of the fighters these guys were fighting went on to win the title at some point too.

JDS' Resume

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Except...some people DO absolutely have DJ in the GOAT discussions. If you have that preconceived bias in your head already, then sure it won't convince YOU. But for others it can. There's subjectivity involved.

Look at boxing. Mike Tyson is looked at as one of the HW all time best despite never beating another all time best HW in their prime. Because of how dominant he was during his rise and HOW he beat people.

 

[Ghostpepper]

He could win his next 10 fights by knockout in 3 minutes combined and I don't think he could obtain that level of status, because lets be real, who is he fighting? There is insufficient prestige waiting to be taken in that roster to justify any GOAT discussions (as tedious as they are)

Who is the heavyweight GOAT in your opinion?

 

[Takes Two To Tango]

I take it Mighty Mouse is referring to Ciryl Gane.