Social ‘I love Hitler’: Leaked messages expose Young Republicans’ racist chat

I'm not surprised. And while it seems like this is bad news now, it will be worse when these young people get older. Anyone who's happy about this isn't thinking very far into the future.

What confuses me is:
1) People are surprised by this, I mean young people have been leaning into extremism for 4-5 years now, I thought it was obvious.
2) People attributing this solely on indoctrination. I don't think, with left-wing messaging saturating political commentary and entertainment, that you can put the blame solely or even primarily on right-wing indoctrination. Now obviously the Trump camp is happy about this but young people turning right is more of a repudiation of the extreme left than it is a successful brainwashing of right-wing ideology.

Sam Harris has been warning people about this since the 2016 election.
 
GearSolidMetal said:
According to the leftists delusional world view, all Republicans are Nazis & Fascists.

Even without this group chat, you'd still call these teenagers because they're Republican.

To leftists its unfalsifiable.
You don't need any evidence to call your political opponents Nazis & Fascists.

Jay Jones fantasizing about killing Republican and their children is 100% fine because they're Nazis and Fascists.
As recent events have proven your side has no problem with violence and murder to promote your political agenda.

The simple fact is you leftists hate being mocked because you're virtuous and perfect, and even teenage Republicans that are joking about how you are calling them Nazis and Fascists is 100% unacceptable... Because they're Nazis and Fascists.
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Dude, read this back to yourself. This is just babble.
 
WhiteMousse said:
. I don't think, with left-wing messaging saturating political commentary and entertainment, that you can put the blame solely or even primarily on right-wing indoctrination. Now obviously the Trump camp is happy about this but young people turning right is more of a repudiation of the extreme left than it is a successful brainwashing of right-wing ideology.
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I'm open to this idea but really unsure.

I saw another poster on here say once, that (paraphrasing) 'people just got so sick of being called racists that they finally.....'

Like i said back then, someone repeatedly accuses me of beating my wife, if I snap and beat her.... its the other guy and his accusations to blame? he turned me into a wife beater And i had no ounce of wife-beating potential in me whatsoever, just became one Because Hurty Liberal Words? hmmmm.

No amount of liberal hectoring could turn me into a racist, or could make me joke about rape. I mean I *get* that there are oppositional reactions to rhetoric but is that just..... is it creating racist/sexists where they didn't exist at all before, creating them out of whole cloth so to speak, or.... is it just, with trump, once again they feel empowered to say stuff they wouldn't have said before?

If 'left wing rhetoric forcing people to be racist' is a factor, I also don't see how you can definitively say its primary (I agree you can't say by definition you can't say that, definitively, they are all being brainwashed by RW media******)



***** why are we focussing entirely on the media space anyway, by the way? Don't we remember the good old days where we got a lot of our morals and attitudes from our parents? social media and the media are strong, but as toxic as The Media In General is, it isn't everything.
 
IanEdwards said:
I'm open to this idea but really unsure.

I saw another poster on here say once, that (paraphrasing) 'people just got so sick of being called racists that they finally.....'

Like i said back then, someone repeatedly accuses me of beating my wife, if I snap and beat her.... its the other guy and his accusations to blame? he turned me into a wife beater And i had no ounce of wife-beating potential in me whatsoever, just became one Because Hurty Liberal Words? hmmmm.

No amount of liberal hectoring could turn me into a racist, or could make me joke about rape. I mean I *get* that there are oppositional reactions to rhetoric but is that just..... is it creating racist/sexists where they didn't exist at all before, creating them out of whole cloth so to speak, or.... is it just, with trump, once again they feel empowered to say stuff they wouldn't have said before?

If 'left wing rhetoric forcing people to be racist' is a factor, I also don't see how you can definitively say its primary (I agree you can't say by definition you can't say that, definitively, they are all being brainwashed by RW media******)



***** why are we focussing entirely on the media space anyway, by the way? Don't we remember the good old days where we got a lot of our morals and attitudes from our parents? social media and the media are strong, but as toxic as The Media In General is, it isn't everything.
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People like you and I are pretty crystalized in our beliefs, and probably won't move too much one way or the other. I agree with you that we are all responsible for how we shape and allow the shaping of our minds; if my post indicated otherwise it wasn't intentional.

I think it's different with younger people. I in no way excuse their behavior, and when I talk about cause I want to emphasize that I mean precisely that-- cause, not blame. I don't think it's the fault of left-wing saturation of media/news that young people have seemingly swung ridiculously right. But I don't think that these people were raised with conservative parents and teachers. They were most likely, for the majority, raised with people trying to instill leftist or left-leaning ideology.

I'm more left than my parents. If I had to guess you are too. I can't speak for you but for me, a big part of that wa because I was able to as a younger person see the flaws in the more extreme nodes of their thinking. I don't consider them extremists at all but I can't think of a better word to describe the things with which I disagree. Kids are smart. They have acuity we forgot we had, and they're wired to test things and see the bullshit. Now I think you and I would also agree that, while we are more liberal than our parents, we haven't thrown out everything our parents taught us, and that's probably where some of these young people have gone wrong. The generation that raised zoomers were mostly liberal, and I think that zoomers have made a critical error in rejecting liberal ideology in its entirety.

I'm not fence-sitting here, I truly mean it when I say that the healthiest society would have the best of both liberalism and conservatism. To some it might seem that's an oxymoron given the climate we're seeing right now, but I don't think it is.

What worries me the most is that these "young" people aren't even that young. They're late 20's and early 30's, and the generation behind them (I don't even know what that one is called) worries me even more. They'll be running the place when I'm old. I'm right of center and I think I'll still get crucified.
 
WhiteMousse said:
People like you and I are pretty crystalized in our beliefs, and probably won't move too much one way or the other. I agree with you that we are all responsible for how we shape and allow the shaping of our minds; if my post indicated otherwise it wasn't intentional.

I think it's different with younger people. I in no way excuse their behavior, and when I talk about cause I want to emphasize that I mean precisely that-- cause, not blame. I don't think it's the fault of left-wing saturation of media/news that young people have seemingly swung ridiculously right. But I don't think that these people were raised with conservative parents and teachers. They were most likely, for the majority, raised with people trying to instill leftist or left-leaning ideology.

I'm more left than my parents. If I had to guess you are too. I can't speak for you but for me, a big part of that wa because I was able to as a younger person see the flaws in the more extreme nodes of their thinking. I don't consider them extremists at all but I can't think of a better word to describe the things with which I disagree. Kids are smart. They have acuity we forgot we had, and they're wired to test things and see the bullshit. Now I think you and I would also agree that, while we are more liberal than our parents, we haven't thrown out everything our parents taught us, and that's probably where some of these young people have gone wrong. The generation that raised zoomers were mostly liberal, and I think that zoomers have made a critical error in rejecting liberal ideology in its entirety.

I'm not fence-sitting here, I truly mean it when I say that the healthiest society would have the best of both liberalism and conservatism. To some it might seem that's an oxymoron given the climate we're seeing right now, but I don't think it is.

What worries me the most is that these "young" people aren't even that young. They're late 20's and early 30's, and the generation behind them (I don't even know what that one is called) worries me even more. They'll be running the place when I'm old. I'm right of center and I think I'll still get crucified.
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good post again, just a few points whilst i try eat my lunch

But I don't think that these people were raised with conservative parents and teachers. They were most likely, for the majority, raised with people trying to instill leftist or left-leaning ideology.
Not sure. In the US context, the Evangelical Church has been growing and I don't think the Midwest or South has gotten much more liberal. since the Reagan era

I'm more left than my parents. If I had to guess you are too. I can't speak for you but for me, a big part of that wa because I was able to as a younger person see the flaws in the more extreme nodes of their thinking
nice guess, and agreed.

Kids are smart. They have acuity we forgot we had, and they're wired to test things and see the bullshit.
Not sure. I have a feeling social media has changed the reception and processing of information, and critical thinking, in ways we don't understand yet*******


the healthiest society would have the best of both liberalism and conservatism. To some it might seem that's an oxymoron
not at all to me, I am far more foreign-policy hawkish than my more 'left' friends and far more pro-Police and law&order.


What worries me the most is that these "young" people aren't even that young. They're late 20's and early 30's, and the generation behind them (I don't even know what that one is called) worries me even more. They'll be running the place when I'm old. I'm right of center and I think I'll still get crucified.
agree 100%




***** EG myself, near 50. I have been consuming One FC, 3 round, small gloves Muay Thai, every week for nearly 3 years, having been a big, near-obsessive boxing fan i seldom watch boxing now. But when I *do* watch boxing- it has to be a superb skill, or action, to hold my attention. All of a sudden that 36+12 minutes can seem a looooooong time if the fight isn't absolutely top level. Fights i would have been perfectly captivated by before, I struggle with now. I suspect this is representative of what happens to young people consuming near-everything in 15-30 second bursts.
 
GearSolidMetal said:
The two most notable parts of the Politico article in the OP -

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Oh so horrible.

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In the 4th quarter of the article it finally admits the obvious - they're joking around.

Not dissimilar to what we've seen here in the Warroom.

Can't put that significant context in the opening paragraphs because that'll make the character assassination not as effective.
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LOL you don't even understand what you quoted. What do you think "... normalized at most points..." means? Does it mean that out of the 20,000-odd messages they were joking the entire time or that normalization is a good excuse for it?

Precisely what have you seen in the WR that is similar? You keep making this claim and never back it up with supporting evidence. I wonder why... <lol>
 
GreatSaintGuillotine said:
To be even more specific

- Peter Giunta, 31
- Joe Maligno, 35
- Annie Kaykaty, 28
- Alex Dwyer, 29
- William Hendrix, 24
- Luke Mosiman, 24
- Samuel Douglass, 27
- Rachel Hope, 27

Only 2 individuals under the age of 27.
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It is a little disturbing that these are young representatives from the party. I ,however, see this more as an issue that the country on a whole is heading in the wrong direction. People who have nothing can be easily radicalized. You can't radicalize someone with a full belly, a roof over their head, a bit of spending money, and a future for their kids. There are basically two paths of thought that I believe happens when this isn't fulfilled. Either, you believe the rich and wealth people and corporations are stripping the country dry or you start blaming other groups of people for consuming the resources that you feel that in "correct" society you would be entitled to. Liberals lean towards the former and conservatives lean towards the latter.
 
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Andy Capp said:
LOL you don't even understand what you quoted. What do you think "... normalized at most points..." means? Does it mean that out of the 20,000-odd messages they were joking the entire time or that normalization is a good excuse for it?

Precisely what have you seen in the WR that is similar? You keep making this claim and never back it up with supporting evidence. I wonder why... <lol>
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Andy, its the opinion of the author of the hit piece article that they're 'normalized at most points.'

28,000 messages and the examples in the article were the worst ones. So, by our standards that's pretty tame.

If he ever visited Sherdog's Warroom he'd probably conclude, if he was being honest, practically everything said aside from the racial slurs from that chat was entirely normal.

"Please give examples?"
Say you never visit the meme thread without saying you never visit the meme thread.

Oh one of the Republicans joked around about Indians stinking? Why do you know that's a stereotype so commonly known of it's worth making jokes about others will laugh at?

Because stereotypes are exaggerated truths.

No, not every Indian rarely bathes, but enough rarely bathe that there's a correlation in experience from millions of people noticing the Indians that do rarely bathe that there's a stereotype developed known across the entire world.
Its not an inside joke amongst racist communities.

Practically every Indian I've met had acceptable hygiene.
Then I walked into a 7-11 and noticed a distinct stench. The stench got stronger as I walked closer to the cashier to buy my items.
I left the 7-11 thinking 'okay, so that stereotype isn't just an internet rumor to joke around about like Michelle Obama having a dick.'
 
Fox by the Sea said:
You'll see more of it in the next decades. The Hitler figure will become one of symbolic protest against the establishment. i assume by 2060 walking with a swastika or hitler tshirt will be like walking with a che guevara tshirt, or sickle and hammer. the zoomer generation is growing with tiktok clips of Leni Riefenstahl and Hitler speeches, you have no idea how right wing the dudes are. the girls of course don't care about it, but it might become "cool", like "i hate my daddy" type cool, to be seen with guys like that. nobody wil be really sure why it's that bad anymore because all of the holocaust survivors will have died by then and the youth don't really seem to care about the holocaust foundation myth anymore, and Hollywood can't finance 10 movies about it a year anymore.
hating on "the nazis" will be like grandpa yelling against "the commies" 30 years ago - you'll only see older dudes doing it. in about 10 years most of the WR regulars will be in their fifties and unless we're banned we'll still be calling each other nazis and commies while the world would have moved on. by the end of the century hitler will be something of a Napoleon figure - a controversial guy. after that, it won't mean much. calling people nazis in 2080 will be like calling people "papist" or "guelfs" now.
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Depressingly accurate
 
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