Social Firefighters from Mexico aid Texas flood search and rescue: ‘There are no borders’

[Sinister]

Tbh here in Europe it's super common when there are exceptional bad natural disasters professional people from different states come (or are sent) to help, and it's not used as political lever

Of course not pointing finger at firefighters, more at journalists that would use this to be like "SEE? Now you should feel bad about whole ICE thing, checkmate" lol

Yes, people should feel bad about the vehement demonization from people South of the border when their State readily accepts the help of people from South of the border. Its not a difficult concept to grasp unless you're wanting to make a concentrated effort to justify isolationism. Mexico has been vilified here for decades. They are offering help multiple times to US citizens in the middle of that vilification's peak and it definitely deserves mention

 

[Sinister]

Weren't you helping illegals sneak in to the US last year? Did ICE shut your office down?

No, and no.

 

[Fergelmince]

They're immigrants. No such thing as an "ex-pat." Americans dont get a special new term for when their own Country is unaffordable and they think seeking out cheap living in Countries our exported policies have destroyed the economies of is a good idea.

Mexico always sends help just as they did for the Cali fired, you said yourself it always happens. Weird how you admit the assistance of other Nations and want to rail against "globalist propaganda" at the same time. Smells like you want a reason to justify continued xenophobia while accepting offered assistance. You want to have your tres leeches and eat it too.

The point that flew right over your illegal immigrant-apologist head is that governmental cooperation in times of emergency has always happens and has nothing to do with deporting criminals in the United States. I know your panties are in a wad since the open border has been shut down and your communist utopia has been squashed for the time being, but you really need to learn to understand the posts your responding to.

 

[Khaosan]

Leagly under Biden but their visas can be revoked by the state.

Dumbass

 

[Sinister]

The point that flew right over your illegal immigrant-apologist head is that governmental cooperation in times of emergency has always happens and has nothing to do with deporting criminals in the United States. I know your panties are in a wad since the open border has been shut down and your communist utopia has been squashed for the time being, but you really need to learn to understand the posts your responding to.

Your administration promised the deportation of people with criminal records, then started targeting people without criminal records. Then when they were called on it, you xenophobes started suggesting that anyone who crosses the border undocumented is a criminal by default despite it being a civil infraction, goal post moved. Now your Overlord in Chief is suggesting ICE will target naturalized citizens, because reasons.

I understand your posts, they're just bullsh*t and contradictory. Hence your stereotypical ad-hominem nonsense thrown in to detract from the fact that your point sucks, and has always sucked.

 

[Lycandroid]

They shouldn't bother. It's not safe for them. In fact it may screw them in the future.

ICE and Border Control don't care if you came to help.

This guy fucked up on his application, it's his own fault, in no way was his safety in question. Stop being a lying fuck.

How does his safety come into question by going to the airport and then going home after being denied ?

 

[Sinister]

This guy fucked up on his application, it's his own fault, in no way was his safety in question. Stop being a lying fuck.

Nothing in the article says HE messed up. Source this claim or be quiet.

 

[Fergelmince]

Your administration promised the deportation of people with criminal records, then started targeting people without criminal records. Then when they were called on it, you xenophobes started suggesting that anyone who crosses the border undocumented is a criminal by default despite it being a civil infraction, goal post moved. Now your Overlord in Chief is suggesting ICE will target naturalized citizens, because reasons.

I understand your posts, they're just bullsh*t and contradictory. Hence your stereotypical ad-hominem nonsense thrown in to detract from the fact that your point sucks, and has always sucked.

xENoPhOBeS

Lol, you just called me a xENoPhOBe and then accused me of ad hominem.

Gotta love that flat red line at the bottom. Good work President Trump!

 

[gondo]

lol illegals have to leave

Ok. What does that have to do with my post?

 

[Bacco]

Yes, people should feel bad about the vehement demonization from people South of the border when their State readily accepts the help of people from South of the border. Its not a difficult concept to grasp unless you're wanting to make a concentrated effort to justify isolationism. Mexico has been vilified here for decades. They are offering help multiple times to US citizens in the middle of that vilification's peak and it definitely deserves mention

I think you misunderstand the meaning of what i said

I repeat, feel weird to me as euro see something i consider normal/common to be seen as something exceptional and used as political tool, turns something clean and honorable into more miserable left-right crap

People who save lives as job will and should go save lives where they can when a natural disaster happens

I would be ashamed of my firefighters if they refuse go save lives in a nation i/we despise where there has been a gigantic earthquake or flood

I still would not see mexican rescue workers doing their thing as reason USA should stop not wanting mexican illegals in USA lands
Tbh would expect USA rescue workers to do same thing if shit happens to Mexico
Likely is i just have rescue forces on much higher standard than faction journalists and similar beings


Where i agree with you is USA likely have unnecessary offensive rethoric about mexicans, but "unnecessary" may be my wrong point of view since seems in america both sides seems in need to play on and feed exasperate/extreme feelings in order to get votes... in fact i would feel kind embarassed if as not-exremist i would have to pick the team that "reflect" my side (if i had one), since that team would surely say lot of things i really disagree with

Reality i guess is soft modern society is willing to ask things but at same time does'nt have the stomach to accept reality that come with the application of these things, so politicians build up artificial hate (or better, amplify existing one) to dehumanize illegals in order to raise the bar of what they can do before lose society support

Is bit disgusting thinking about it, ideally people should just have clean mind on why you do something and accept responsibility of what come with it, hide behind "but they're monsters!" is not a mindset i agree with

They're humans that came illegally in your country and you're pushing them out because you believe push them out is better as they have some kind of negative impact on your country

I'm not american so guess i'm not in position to tell if this belief is correct or not
Sure one would tell me it's 100% right, another is 100% wrong
Maybe neither of them is lying or even wrong, possible for former is bad thing for latter is not (or even positive one)... is'nt that the reason elections are won by majority?

Can't be sure of anything as i don't live there, so mexicans are 0% issue for me, my family or my town... would be easy play nice guy and say let them in because they have funny hats
On other hand here i have 3-4 populations i see with same love trumper have for mexicans, what i can't know is if mexicans did enough to deserve such appreciation

 

[Thrawn33]

If you correlate international disaster assistance with illegal immigration and border patrol you have issues..

Countries assist each other on SAR and disaster relief even during strained relations all the time

Different ball park, different sport...

 

[Fergelmince]

this entitled son of a bitch doesn't look like he can swim or fight fires. Get him TF OUTTA HERE

 

[Bacco]

They're immigrants. No such thing as an "ex-pat." Americans dont get a special new term for when their own Country is unaffordable and they think seeking out cheap living in Countries our exported policies have destroyed the economies of is a good idea.

But are them illegal immigrants?

If for a side it's fair game keep changing the definition till illegal immigrants and immigrants are perceived as very same thing, i take as equally legit bullshit the ex-pat thing from other side lol

If they're illegals Mexico should be allowed kick them all out... would be kinda comical, but still i legit respect any nation that wants illegals out, regardless who is who

If they're regular immigrants that followed laws to be legally in Mexico they should be allowed to stay there unless they do something to justify them being kicked out, same for mexican dude that followed same path to be in USA

 

[Sinister]

But are them illegal immigrants?

If for a side it's fair game keep changing the definition till illegal immigrants and immigrants are perceived as very same thing, i take as equally legit bullshit the ex-pat thing from other side lol

If they're illegals Mexico should be allowed kick them all out... would be kinda comical, but still i legit respect any nation that wants illegals out, regardless who is who

If they're regular immigrants that followed laws to be legally in Mexico they should be allowed to stay there unless they do something to justify them being kicked out, same for mexican dude that followed same path to be in USA

American immigrants just call themselves "ex-pats" to disassociate from the politically dirty term "immigrants." And I'm not against immigration, so I never said they dont deserve to be there. I can understand the issue of rent inflating due to foreign money entering a housing market and pricing out locals, but that needs to be solved with local Governnental policies. If landlords are cashing in at the expense of citizens losing access to housing, then the Government needs to intervene if it just keeps getting worse and worse. Especially considering that is the exact same thing that happened here and why many of those people are there to begin with.

 

[Kingz]

Narrator: there are in fact borders

 

[cincymma79]

Ok. What does that have to do with my post?

You brought them into it. They’re going. Cry more

 

[gondo]

You brought them into it. They’re going. Cry more

I made no comment about people being in the US illegally. It was a joke about how over eager ICE agents have been.

Holy fuck you are stupid.

 

[Bacco]

American immigrants just call themselves "ex-pats" to disassociate from the politically dirty term "immigrants."

I understand the gimmick, was just saying it's bit funny another side pushed to keep changing words to make illegal-immigrant same as immigrant, to the point it dirty the "immigrant" word itself and almost justify expat to distance from it

Btw for what's worth guess not only american thing, is more than anything perspective of when your own is the one moving elsewhere

Expat /expatriate in latin just mean out of (ex) homeland (patria, fatherland is straight translation), so technically you're not saying much more than somebody that left the homeland

We would use for ourselves emigrato (emigrate), but tecnically emigrate and expatriate mean same thing, latter just imply you had strong bond with place you're leaving... and that emigrate carry opposite meaning but same potential struggle of immigrant

Then yes there's a difference of perception and use between immigrant and expat, where former is somebody from poor (or less rich) country going in some "superior" place, maybe having to struggle, while latter is just used for somebody that just went to live in some equal or "lower" place

So you have those who're likely going to struggle being "identified" with the word, rather than immigrate to you ARE an immigrant (attaching to it all possible struggle)
While expat is supposed to have smooth transition to equal/lower place that will allow him to blend into new society middle/high class so the term become more about the action itself of move from A to B rather than stick to the person as a condition

Guess make sense americans being from richest nation of earth will stick to latter
For what's worth we would apply to them similar, in the sense if an american come live here we would indeed say "è venuto a vivere in Italia" (he came to live in Italy) but if dude from Congo does the same we would call him immigrato

Also for ourselves we apply similar, if decades ago our perception was of a poor country there was no doubt say Uncle Mario emigrated to the USA, but now that we have a right or wrong perception to have entered nice countries club, we would say that Luca two years ago went to live in the US

So yes that's the thing, but ultimately it's kinda the standard we accepted as a whole on how o use these words

And I'm not against immigration, so I never said they dont deserve to be there. I can understand the issue of rent inflating due to foreign money entering a housing market and pricing out locals, but that needs to be solved with local Governnental policies. If landlords are cashing in at the expense of citizens losing access to housing, then the Government needs to intervene if it just keeps getting worse and worse. Especially considering that is the exact same thing that happened here and why many of those people are there to begin with.

Agree on this
If legal immigration bring damage to society, nation should ideally block it wich should be easy since to be legal it needs state bless to begin with

Problem is politicians benefit from both "expat" legal immigration that cause damage (real estate value rising) and illegal immigration that cause damage (cheap labor) lol

 

[Sinister]

I understand the gimmick, was just saying it's bit funny another side pushed to keep changing words to make illegal-immigrant same as immigrant, to the point it dirty the "immigrant" word itself and almost justify expat to distance from it

Btw for what's worth guess not only american thing, is more than anything perspective of when your own is the one moving elsewhere

Expat /expatriate in latin just mean out of (ex) homeland (patria, fatherland is straight translation), so technically you're not saying much more than somebody that left the homeland

We would use for ourselves emigrato (emigrate), but tecnically emigrate and expatriate mean same thing, latter just imply you had strong bond with place you're leaving... and that emigrate carry opposite meaning but same potential struggle of immigrant

Then yes there's a difference of perception and use between immigrant and expat, where former is somebody from poor (or less rich) country going in some "superior" place, maybe having to struggle, while latter is just used for somebody that just went to live in some equal or "lower" place

So you have those who're likely going to struggle being "identified" with the word, rather than immigrate to you ARE an immigrant (attaching to it all possible struggle)
While expat is supposed to have smooth transition to equal/lower place that will allow him to blend into new society middle/high class so the term become more about the action itself of move from A to B rather than stick to the person as a condition

Guess make sense americans being from richest nation of earth will stick to latter
For what's worth we would apply to them similar, in the sense if an american come live here we would indeed say "è venuto a vivere in Italia" (he came to live in Italy) but if dude from Congo does the same we would call him immigrato

Also for ourselves we apply similar, if decades ago our perception was of a poor country there was no doubt say Uncle Mario emigrated to the USA, but now that we have a right or wrong perception to have entered nice countries club, we would say that Luca two years ago went to live in the US

So yes that's the thing, but ultimately it's kinda the standard we accepted as a whole on how o use these words



Agree on this
If legal immigration bring damage to society, nation should ideally block it wich should be easy since to be legal it needs state bless to begin with

Problem is politicians benefit from both "expat" legal immigration that cause damage (real estate value rising) and illegal immigration that cause damage (cheap labor) lol

That's not what happened with the words. "Illegal immigrants" was never a term being as Historically, the United States has had "open borders" far longer than it had closed ones, and closed ones sprung up with increasing xenophobic sentiment. In the beginning it was towards Southern Europeans, specifically. It has changed over time with the "those people" flavor of whatever political climate, although anyone South of the border (and specifically those who are poor) having some of the most distinct discrimination. Thus, the stereotypical "illegal alien" everyone pictures is a Latino. Darker skin and cannot speak English. And this stereotype is currently informing the ICE profiling for the most part, and they're increasingly sucking at their actual job:

Despite promise to remove 'worst of the worst,' ICE has arrested only 6% of known immigrant murderers

ICE told Congress in September that over 13,000 immigrants known to have committed murder remained at large. Since then, only 752 have been arrested.

www.nbcnews.com

This is just a dishonest means of ethnically cleansing the US, nothing more. The term "undocumented immigrant" is more accurate. "Illegal" and "alien" were meant to inflammatory from the beginning. It's meant to leave no argumentative reprieve. If they are "illegal" then they have done crime (again crossing the border without papers is not a criminal offense but a civil infraction), from there the xenophobes can demand punishment as they seem appropriate, even if the person has no criminal record and has only ever helped the US. When leftists say they are "undocumented" which itself is only quasi-true because most are in processing (hence ICE grabbing them at Court Houses)z our solution is "well, document them then." When you do this the xenophobes frame it as if you're rewarding crime, which further reveals that they just dont want more Latinos here. The claim that they hist want everyone to "do it right" is debunked by their continued support for politicians who cripple that system.

 

[Sinister]

Narrator: there are in fact borders

Continued: "And those borders are, in fact, imaginary."