Yemen-50,000 children dead in 2017 as a result of Saudi blockade

[Islam Imamate]

So just a regular neocon bootlicker.

Even more sad really. At least Arabs might have more of a personal connection to the regional rivalry that can justify supporting the Saudis but being a neocon stooge of the Saudis means you're a sucker.

 

[Deleted member 457759]

So just a regular neocon bootlicker.

No I just have a better understanding of the conflict. Both sides are horrible.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

Nope.
Every President since Reagan have sucked up to the Saudi's. Obama fucked with them a little by negotiating with Iran.

My comment was sarcasm because @M3t4tr0n tried to make this a Trump issue. Yeah, Obama "fucked with them" then sold them $115b worth of weapons....

The problem with Yemen is Iran and the House of Saud have decided their country is a fine place to have a proxy war.

Weird that KSA did nothing while AQAP ran half of Yemen and are now teamed up with them to fight against the Who?this.
Weird that there was no blockade or cluster bombs getting dropped on AQAP, but now the country is on the verge of one of the worst humanitarian crisis of the last 10 years -- which is saying something after the last 10 years. I think labeling this a proxi-war between Iran and KSA tends to be very generous description for KSA.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

inb4 they hate us for our freedom

 

[Rod1]

No I just have a better understanding of the conflict. Both sides are horrible.

There arent even close in degrees of horrible.

One side uses genocide, mass murder and brutal blockades, the other isnt.

Sunnis go on a murder rampage (its because of Shiite oppression) Shiites fight back (Iran is meddling on foreign affairs *screech*),

 

[tramendous]

Neither was the first half of the 20th century. If you look at the last 200 years Europe was far more violent and war torn but because the news has spammed MidEast war stories for the last decade or two some people are under the impression its always been under endless war which is not the case.

Ya that talking point is frustrating. They will start listing off wars over 1000s of years and ignore that the rest of the world was no different.

 

[Deleted member 457759]

There arent even close in degrees of horrible.

One side uses genocide, mass murder and brutal blockades, the other isnt.

Sunnis go on a murder rampage (its because of Shiite oppression) Shiites fight back (Iran is meddling on foreign affairs *screech*),

Do you have any idea what Iran did during the Iraq war? In order to stop the new Iraqi government the set loose hit squads all over the country and carried out terrorist attacks for years. They're a terrorist state. This has been well documented.

 

[Rod1]

Do you have any idea what Iran did during the Iraq war? In order to stop the new Iraqi government the set loose hit squads all over the country and carried out terrorist attacks for years. They're a terrorist state. This has been well documented.

Iran set loose hit squads to fight back against Sunni hit squads.

How many sunni gatherings were bombed compared to how many times Shia gatherings got bombed?

 

[MicroBrew]

Do you have any idea what Iran did during the Iraq war? In order to stop the new Iraqi government the set loose hit squads all over the country and carried out terrorist attacks for years. They're a terrorist state. This has been well documented.

Sunni attacks were more pronounced and barbaric. Abu Musab Al Zarqawi , a sectarian Sunni, deliberately attacked Shia to kick start a sectarian war. Do you expect the Shia to do nothing when Sunni militants keep blowing them up.

The Iran-Iraq war was instigated by Saddam and the GCC Arabs. Saddam used chemical weapons against Iran, and was quietly supported by the GCC and West.

Terrorist State is a politically biased term. China,Pakistan,India,Israel,Saudi,America etc.. will label any militant opposition to their agenda as terrorists. "Terrorist" is a worthless word. We can just as easily say Israel, America, China,Saudi,India,Pakistan,Britain are all terrorist states.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Iran set loose hit squads to fight back against Sunni hit squads.

How many sunni gatherings were bombed compared to how many times Shia gatherings got bombed?

From what I read it was Zarqawi who ignited the sectarian spiral of violence and he did this purposefully because a) he hates Shiites (though apparently Osama bin Laden disagreed with him here and preferred "muh pan-Islamic unity" to face the imperialists and Zionists) and b) to make the occupation more difficult for the Americans. So even there the Sunnis started it.

 

[Deleted member 457759]

Sunni attacks were more pronounced and barbaric. Abu Musab Al Zarqawi , a sectarian Sunni, deliberately attacked Shia to kick start a sectarian war. Do you expect the Shia to do nothing when Sunni militants keep blowing them up.

The Iran-Iraq war was instigated by Saddam and the GCC Arabs. Saddam used chemical weapons against Iran, and was quietly supported by the GCC and West.

Terrorist State is a politically biased term. China,Pakistan,India,Israel,Saudi,America etc.. will label any militant opposition to their agenda as terrorists. "Terrorist" is a worthless word. We can just as easily say Israel, America, China,Saudi,India,Pakistan,Britain are all terrorist states.

Israel and America do not intentionally target civilians. Nice try though.

 

[MicroBrew]

Israel and America do not intentionally target civilians. Nice try though.

Sure they do...just in a more subtle way.
What exactly do you call the sanctions against Iraq.
Israeli attacks on Gaza and Lebanon.

Iraq sanctions (which was strongly supported by Israel and the US) killed over 0.5 million Iraqi babies.
Sanctions are collective punishment against a whole nation, and the most vulnerable are the women, children and groups with the least power.

There is not set definition for Terrorism.
Some will say the use of violence for political ends. While others say the use of violence against non-combatants for political ends.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/terrorism

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2013/jul/09/whats-definition-terrorism/

Neoconservatives lobbied to remove the Iranian group MEK, labelled by the US as a terrorist group, from the US gov. list of terrorist groups. Why? Because MEK was attacking the Iranian state, so could be used by Israel.

The Camp of the Americas at Fort Benning Georgia trained Latin American rightwing deathsquads. These squads tortured and killed hundreds of thousands of civilians in MesoAmerica and South America. Clear case of the US aiding and abetting terrorist armies.

US allies Saudi,Qatar and Turkey supported genocidal Sunni sectarian militias in Syria. Israel provided Salafists jihadis medical aid. The US provided hundreds of millions of $ in equipment and training to what were essentially sectarian militias.

The Saudis are deliberately and wantonly targeting civilians and the US has been quiently aiding them.

Both Israel and the US have their hands deep inside the terror cookie jar.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

Sunni attacks were more pronounced and barbaric. Abu Musab Al Zarqawi , a sectarian Sunni, deliberately attacked Shia to kick start a sectarian war. Do you expect the Shia to do nothing when Sunni militants keep blowing them up.

The Iran-Iraq war was instigated by Saddam and the GCC Arabs. Saddam used chemical weapons against Iran, and was quietly supported by the GCC and West.

Terrorist State is a politically biased term. China,Pakistan,India,Israel,Saudi,America etc.. will label any militant opposition to their agenda as terrorists. "Terrorist" is a worthless word. We can just as easily say Israel, America, China,Saudi,India,Pakistan,Britain are all terrorist states.

Not to mention the near 100 years of oppression, oftentimes violent, they've experienced in Iraq, and then the post-Guld War uprising the US inspired and encouraged before finally abandoning, that lead to indiscriminate reprisal by Saddam.

 

[M3t4tr0n]

My comment was sarcasm because @M3t4tr0n tried to make this a Trump issue. Yeah, Obama "fucked with them" then sold them $115b worth of weapons....




Weird that KSA did nothing while AQAP ran half of Yemen and are now teamed up with them to fight against the Who?this.
Weird that there was no blockade or cluster bombs getting dropped on AQAP, but now the country is on the verge of one of the worst humanitarian crisis of the last 10 years -- which is saying something after the last 10 years. I think labeling this a proxi-war between Iran and KSA tends to be very generous description for KSA.

Trump made a big deal about the Saudis. He deserves to eat his crow.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

Trump made a big deal about the Saudis. He deserves to eat his crow.

This situation predates Trump and would be as bad or worse with Clinton in office.
Obama made a big deal about W's policies when he ran for POTUS, then expanded the war and went on to sell more weapons than any other president since WW11, $150B to KSA alone. Maybe this is the pic you should have posted:

Or this one:

Or maybe just leave it as a non-partisan issue, or at the he very least a call for a third party.

 

[cincymma79]

No I just have a better understanding of the conflict. Both sides are horrible.

right?
We should support....Yemen? Gtfo. We sit this out.

 

[M3t4tr0n]

This situation predates Trump and would be as bad or worse with Clinton in office.
Obama made a big deal about W's policies when he ran for POTUS, then expanded the war and went on to sell more weapons than any other president since WW11, $150B to KSA alone. Maybe this is the pic you should have posted:

Or this one:

Or maybe just leave it as a non-partisan issue, or at the he very least a call for a third party.

Bu bu but Obama! Trump was all over the Saudi issue especially when it comes to Obama before he was in office. I don't see why you feel a need to defend him here.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

Bu bu but Obama! Trump was all over the Saudi issue especially when it comes to Obama before he was in office. I don't see why you feel a need to defend him here.

what does trump have to do with the situation in Yemen besides some tweets he made about Saudi Arabia? What has trump done that Obama didn't do, or what Clinton would have done?

The answer is nothing.

Not only that, but but Obama is complicit in the atrocities taking place.

So I'm compelled to correct the direction of the thread because it's misleading and hypocritical.

 

[Islam Imamate]

right?
We should support....Yemen? Gtfo. We sit this out.

If by support Yemen you mean we should try to prevent a humanitarian catastrophe then yes, we should support Yemen if only by putting as much diplomatic pressure on the Saudis as possible. That doesn't mean taking sides(we're basically on the Saudi side already though).

 

[M3t4tr0n]

what does trump have to do with the situation in Yemen besides some tweets he made about Saudi Arabia? What has trump done that Obama didn't do, or what Clinton would have done?

The answer is nothing.

Not only that, but but Obama is complicit in the atrocities taking place.

So I'm compelled to correct the direction of the thread because it's misleading and hypocritical.

Trump is in office not Obama or Clinton. Trump talked a lot of tought talk so he needs to eat crow. If Trump is serious about the Saudis he sure is doing a great job of showing it.