International Trump's 2025 Immigration Plan - Mass Deportation and Giant Camps

Sweeping Raids, Giant Camps and Mass Deportations: Inside Trump’s 2025 Immigration Plans

Part 2
Mr. Trump’s immigration plan is to pick up where he left off and then go much farther. He would not only revive some of the policies that were criticized as draconian during his presidency, many of which the Biden White House ended, but also expand and toughen them.

One example centers on expanding first-term policies aimed at keeping people out of the country. Mr. Trump plans to suspend the nation’s refugee program and once again categorically bar visitors from troubled countries, reinstating a version of his ban on travel from several mostly Muslim-majority countries, which President Biden called discriminatory and ended on his first day in office.
Mr. Trump would also use coercive diplomacy to induce other nations to help, including by making cooperation a condition of any other bilateral engagement, Mr. Miller said. For example, a second Trump administration would seek to re-establish an agreement with Mexico that asylum seekers remain there while their claims are processed. (It is not clear that Mexico would agree; a Mexican court has said that deal violated human rights.)
Mr. Trump would also push to revive “safe third country” agreements with several nations in Central America, and try to expand them to Africa, Asia and South America. Under such deals, countries agree to take would-be asylum seekers from specific other nations and let them apply for asylum there instead.
While such arrangements have traditionally only covered migrants who had previously passed through a third country, federal law does not require that limit and a second Trump administration would seek to make those deals without it, in part as a deterrent to migrants making what the Trump team views as illegitimate asylum claims.
At the same time, Mr. Miller said, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention would invoke the public health emergency powers law known as Title 42 to again refuse to hear any asylum claims by people arriving at the southern border. The Trump administration had internally discussed that idea early in Mr. Trump’s term, but some cabinet secretaries pushed back, arguing that there was no public health emergency that would legally justify it. The administration ultimately implemented it during the coronavirus pandemic.

Saying the idea has since gained acceptance in practice — Mr. Biden initially kept the policy — Mr. Miller said Mr. Trump would invoke Title 42, citing “severe strains of the flu, tuberculosis, scabies, other respiratory illnesses like R.S.V. and so on, or just a general issue of mass migration being a public health threat and conveying a variety of communicable diseases.”
Mr. Trump and his aides have not yet said whether they would re-enact one of the most contentious deterrents to unauthorized immigration that he pursued as president: separating children from their parents, which led to trauma among migrants and difficulties in reuniting families. When pressed, Mr. Trump has repeatedly declined to rule out reviving the policy. After an outcry over the practice, Mr. Trump ended it in 2018 and a judge later blocked the government from putting it back into effect.

Mass Deportations​


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A close-up, hip-level view of federal officers wearing their firearms in their holsters.

Federal immigration-enforcement officers gathered for an arrest operation in May in Pompano Beach, Fla.Credit...Saul Martinez for The New York Times

A close-up, hip-level view of federal officers wearing their firearms in their holsters.

Soon after Mr. Trump announced his 2024 campaign for president last November, he met with Tom Homan, who ran ICE for the first year and a half of the Trump administration and was an early proponent of separating families to deter migrants.
In an interview, Mr. Homan recalled that in that meeting, he “agreed to come back” in a second term and would “help to organize and run the largest deportation operation this country’s ever seen.”

Trump advisers’ vision of abrupt mass deportations would be a recipe for social and economic turmoil, disrupting the housing market and major industries including agriculture and the service sector.
Mr. Miller cast such disruption in a favorable light.
“Mass deportation will be a labor-market disruption celebrated by American workers, who will now be offered higher wages with better benefits to fill these jobs,” he said. “Americans will also celebrate the fact that our nation’s laws are now being applied equally, and that one select group is no longer magically exempt.”
One planned step to overcome the legal and logistical hurdles would be to significantly expand a form of fast-track deportations known as “expedited removal.” It denies undocumented immigrants the usual hearings and opportunity to file appeals, which can take months or years — especially when people are not in custody — and has led to a large backlog. A 1996 law says people can be subject to expedited removal for up to two years after arriving, but to date the executive branch has used it more cautiously, swiftly expelling people picked up near the border soon after crossing.
The Trump administration tried to expand the use of expedited removal, but a court blocked it and then the Biden team canceled the expansion. It remains unclear whether the Supreme Court will rule that it is constitutional to use the law against people who have been living for a significant period in the United States and express fear of persecution if sent home.

Mr. Trump has also said he would invoke an archaic law, the Alien Enemies Act of 1798, to expel suspected members of drug cartels and criminal gangs without due process. That law allows for summary deportation of people from countries with which the United States is at war, that have invaded the United States or that have engaged in “predatory incursions.”

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Tom Homan stands holding a microphone in his right hand, giving a speech.

Tom Homan, who ran ICE for the first year and a half of the Trump administration, said he told Mr. Trump he would “help to organize and run the largest deportation operation this country’s ever seen.”Credit...Rebecca Noble for The New York Times

Tom Homan stands holding a microphone in his right hand, giving a speech.

The Supreme Court has upheld past uses of that law in wartime. But its text seems to require a link to the actions of a foreign government, so it is not clear whether the justices will allow a president to stretch it to encompass drug cartel activity.
More broadly, Mr. Miller said a new Trump administration would shift from the ICE practice of arresting specific people to carrying out workplace raids and other sweeps in public places aimed at arresting scores of unauthorized immigrants at once.
To make the process of finding and deporting undocumented immigrants already living inside the country “radically more quick and efficient,” he said, the Trump team would bring in “the right kinds of attorneys and the right kinds of policy thinkers” willing to carry out such ideas.
And because of the magnitude of arrests and deportations being contemplated, they plan to build “vast holding facilities that would function as staging centers” for immigrants as their cases progress and they wait to be flown to other countries.

Mr. Miller said the new camps would likely be built “on open land in Texas near the border.”
He said the military would construct them under the authority and control of the Department of Homeland Security. While he cautioned that there were no specific blueprints yet, he said the camps would look professional and similar to other facilities for migrants that have been built near the border.
Such camps could also enable the government to speed up the pace and volume of deportations of undocumented people who have lived in the United States for years and so are not subject to fast-track removal. If pursuing a long-shot effort to win permission to remain in the country would mean staying locked up in the interim, some may give up and voluntarily accept removal without going through the full process.
The use of these camps, Mr. Miller said, would likely be focused more on single adults because the government cannot indefinitely hold children under a longstanding court order known as the Flores settlement. So any families brought to the facilities would have to be moved in and out more quickly, he said.
The Trump administration tried to overturn the Flores settlement, but the Supreme Court did not resolve the matter before Mr. Trump’s term ended. Mr. Miller said the Trump team would try again.
To increase the number of agents available for ICE sweeps, Mr. Miller said, officials from other federal law enforcement agencies would be temporarily reassigned, and state National Guard troops and local police officers, at least from willing Republican-led states, would be deputized for immigration control efforts.

While a law known as the Posse Comitatus Act generally forbids the use of the armed forces for law enforcement purposes, another law called the Insurrection Act creates an exception. Mr. Trump would invoke the Insurrection Act at the border, enabling the use of federal troops to apprehend migrants, Mr. Miller said.
“Bottom line,” he said, “President Trump will do whatever it takes.”
Zolan Kanno-Youngs and Eileen Sullivan contributed reporting. Kitty Bennett contributed research.
Charlie Savage writes about national security and legal policy. He has been a journalist for more than two decades. More about Charlie Savage
Maggie Haberman is a senior political correspondent and the author of “Confidence Man: The Making of Donald Trump and the Breaking of America.” She was part of a team that won a Pulitzer Prize in 2018 for reporting on President Trump’s advisers and their connections to Russia. More about Maggie Haberman
Jonathan Swan is a political reporter who focuses on campaigns and Congress. As a reporter for Axios, he won an Emmy Award for his 2020 interview of then-President Donald J. Trump, and the White House Correspondents’ Association’s Aldo Beckman Award for “overall excellence in White House coverage” in 2022. More about Jonathan Swan
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Whether or not he can pull it off is one thing, but the plan itself is the right thing to do for the country. Government has aided and abetted these illegal immigrants in recent years and it's gotten completely out of control
 
There are other ways to stop illegal immigration than having "giant camps" for the purposes of "mass deportation".

Not only will mistakes surely be made, for which the human consequences will be enormous, but I highly doubt those who will enforce the security in these camps will be doing so ethically and with humanity.

The potential for a downward spiral into the worst aspects of humanity is too great a risk to even think about doing. History tells us this.
So do Japanese Americans., if you listen.
 
Trump was supposed to repeal and replace Obamacare. Failed.
Was supposed to build a wall and make Mexico pay for it. Failed.
this is an attempt to get supporters, but he has the support from those who would welcome this. He needs to get support from the middle aisle folk, who were the ones that voted for him in 2016, but changed their vote in 2020
 
Leaving the border open for the last few years is an attack on America and an act of Treason. This will destroy America over time, as it did the other great empires throughout history that this happened to.

But I don't think Trump has the right answer for this. We need a better solution.
 
There are other ways to stop illegal immigration than having "giant camps" for the purposes of "mass deportation".

Not only will mistakes surely be made, for which the human consequences will be enormous, but I highly doubt those who will enforce the security in these camps will be doing so ethically and with humanity.

The potential for a downward spiral into the worst aspects of humanity is too great a risk to even think about doing. History tells us this.

So catch and release is the way to go?

So far that is a failure. Those caught and being held for deportation need ti be held. Yes there needs to be oversight but just keeping on doing what is being do is a complete failure.
 
Those saying this plan wouldn't work well what the current administration is doing or not doing for the last three years obviously isn't working. Maybe they can ask the "Border Czar" what her plans are?
The Border Czars plan is to keep letting the immigrants in and began synchronization immediately.

It’s the immigrants and their children who will repopulate the Country, seeing as how American Citizens are choosing to no longer have children becoming the more popular option for couples.

The government needs to find a way to keep the population growing to keep production rolling. What better way to bring in more immigrants to a Country founded on and built by immigrants.

Only difference is from where this generation of immigrants come from, no longer from Europe but from South America.

Just a hop, skip and a jump over a fence away…
 
The Border Czars plan is to keep letting the immigrants in and began synchronization immediately.

It’s the immigrants and their children who will repopulate the Country, seeing as how American Citizens are choosing to no longer have children becoming the more popular option for couples.

The government needs to find a way to keep the population growing to keep production rolling. What better way to bring in more immigrants to a Country founded on and built by immigrants.

Only difference is from where this generation of immigrants come from, no longer from Europe but from South America.

Just a hop, skip and a jump over a fence away…
These aren't "Immigrants" as you call them they're Illegal aliens who possess no skills and will only hurt minority communities. Hopefully the next president makes them Hop, Skip and jump back and go through the process through legal means like my grandparents did.
 
These aren't "Immigrants" as you call them they're Illegal aliens who possess no skills and will only hurt minority communities. Hopefully the next president makes them Hop, Skip and jump back and go through the process through legal means like my grandparents did.
See that’s the difference,
You and a lot of people see them as illegal aliens. Which the majority are, don’t get me wrong.

But the Government sees them as immigrants, and a fix to a pending population problem.

That is why it will not stop until they determine the magic number. Most likely in our kids lifetime or their kids.
 
I'll be more impressed if along with this he talks about heavy fines for anyone hiring and ileagl. To fix this one thing is we have to make it almost impossible for an illegal to find work.

Its almost as if it just was political games and had no intention to fix that whatsoever.

America has been addicted to cheap labor since it was a British colony and at the same time America has been addicted to hating cheap labor as cultural group.

We all know that if America really wanted to crackdown on immigrants they would just need to start treating people who hire illegals as criminals, that would shut up the whole thing real fast.

Of course most people are not willing to put up with the inconvenience of an economic recession which would surely follow the clamp down on a massive amount of the workforce.
 
These aren't "Immigrants" as you call them they're Illegal aliens who possess no skills and will only hurt minority communities. Hopefully the next president makes them Hop, Skip and jump back and go through the process through legal means like my grandparents did.
"no skills"

I wonder how these people with no skills manage to find jobs so easily then.
 
There are other ways to stop illegal immigration than having "giant camps" for the purposes of "mass deportation".

Not only will mistakes surely be made, for which the human consequences will be enormous, but I highly doubt those who will enforce the security in these camps will be doing so ethically and with humanity.

The potential for a downward spiral into the worst aspects of humanity is too great a risk to even think about doing. History tells us this.

Can you imagine the Trump administration trying to implement a policy like this?

Imagine how much the money the federal government is going to lose in lawsuits for deporting legal citizens by mistake lol. No ifs, ands, or buts.... it'll happen.

Trump should change his slogan to MABA. Making America Bankrupt Again
 
See that’s the difference,
You and a lot of people see them as illegal aliens. Which the majority are, don’t get me wrong.

But the Government sees them as immigrants, and a fix to a pending population problem.

That is why it will not stop until they determine the magic number. Most likely in our kids lifetime or their kids.


They bring 3rd world level crime. All the communities they settle in become filthy crime ridden shitholes.
 
They bring 3rd world level crime. All the communities they settle in become filthy crime ridden shitholes.
Statistically, illegal immigrants commit crime at lower levels than native born Americans. They actually lower our crime rate.

One can oppose illegal immigration without being seduced by these narratives that are built on framing people as negatively as possible.
 
Statistically, illegal immigrants commit crime at lower levels than native born Americans. They actually lower our crime rate.

One can oppose illegal immigration without being seduced by these narratives that are built on framing people as negatively as possible.
How are the crime rates of illegal immigrants calculated and do all states keep records? A genuine question I'm not talking smack.
 
How are the crime rates of illegal immigrants calculated and do all states keep records? A genuine question I'm not talking smack.
I don't remember exactly but there's a pretty study conducted using Texas data out there, plus national research.

It's not even really surprising. Most illegals don't want to get deported, they want to stay under the radar, getting paid in cash and avoiding government entanglement. And nothing puts you on the radar quite like committing crime.
 
Statistically, illegal immigrants commit crime at lower levels than native born Americans. They actually lower our crime rate.

One can oppose illegal immigration without being seduced by these narratives that are built on framing people as negatively as possible.

Literally 100% of them are criminals just by being here.
 
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