International Trump's 2025 Immigration Plan - Mass Deportation and Giant Camps

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Trump plans to round up, incarcerate and then deport millions of undocumented immigrants. And for those that are seeking asylum, he wants to make it so they have to wait in Mexico while their application is considered. It's going to be the largest deportation effort since the 50's.

Personally I do not know what the answer is and am not making a judgment whether this is right or wrong. I honestly do not know. But I do feel the recent migrant crises in the big cities is going to cause people who would not normally vote Trump to go with him. What was draconian and extreme before may seem necessary now.

But how viable is it? Will it cause a lot more people to vote Trump this election cycle?

 
Trump plans to round up, incarcerate and then deport millions of undocumented immigrants. And for those that are seeking asylum, he wants to make it so they have to wait in Mexico while their application is considered. It's going to be the largest deportation effort since the 50's.

Personally I do not know what the answer is and am not making a judgment whether this is right or wrong. I honestly do not know. But I do feel the recent migrant crises in the big cities is going to cause people who would not normally vote Trump to go with him. What was draconian and extreme before may seem necessary now.

But how viable is it? Will it cause a lot more people to vote Trump this election cycle?

How does it usually work out when a nation rounds up a large number of "a certain group" of people, i.e. scapegoats, and throws them in camps/deports them?

I sure as hell will judge the plan and call it wrong, absolutely.
 
Not gonna happen. Too many political & business interests in the US depend on the current status quo with regards to immigration policy. Trump will talk a bunch of shit and his supporters will lap it up, but it'll all disappear the day after he's elected just like his healthcare reforms in 2016.
 
How does it usually work out when a nation rounds up a large number of "a certain group" of people, i.e. scapegoats, and throws them in camps/deports them?

I sure as hell will judge the plan and call it wrong, absolutely.

So trying to stop illegal immigration is now being a "Nazi". The lefts go to when people don't want open borders.

I would have to see more details to know if I support this. On the surface it sounds good but first thing is closing the border then deal with the ones here. It's not nearly as simple as saying it.
 
Not gonna happen. Too many political & business interests in the US depend on the current status quo with regards to immigration policy. Trump will talk a bunch of shit and his supporters will lap it up, but it'll all disappear the day after he's elected just like his healthcare reforms in 2016.

I'll be more impressed if along with this he talks about heavy fines for anyone hiring and ileagl. To fix this one thing is we have to make it almost impossible for an illegal to find work.
 
So trying to stop illegal immigration is now being a "Nazi". The lefts go to when people don't want open borders.

I would have to see more details to know if I support this. On the surface it sounds good but first thing is closing the border then deal with the ones here. It's not nearly as simple as saying it.
This is a dumb false equivalency and you should be embarrassed to have uttered it.
 
So trying to stop illegal immigration is now being a "Nazi". The lefts go to when people don't want open borders.

I would have to see more details to know if I support this. On the surface it sounds good but first thing is closing the border then deal with the ones here. It's not nearly as simple as saying it.
You can't refer to illegal immigrants as illegal immigrants, racist!
 
I'll be more impressed if along with this he talks about heavy fines for anyone hiring and ileagl. To fix this one thing is we have to make it almost impossible for an illegal to find work.
That should have been step one, decades ago. It's the cheapest thing you can do that will get a lot of results. Make every legitimate business afraid to hire people illegally in the country.

Also, make it a federal law that states/local municipalities can not provide any form of benefits to illegal immigrants.

That should have been in place decades ago way before anyone considered a wall or giant camps.
 
Sure, sounds great. But at the same time, he's saying that we shouldn't pass any immigration reform right now.

The genuineness on this subject, outside of the political gain, isn't there unfortunately.
 
So trying to stop illegal immigration is now being a "Nazi". The lefts go to when people don't want open borders.

I would have to see more details to know if I support this. On the surface it sounds good but first thing is closing the border then deal with the ones here. It's not nearly as simple as saying it.
There are other ways to stop illegal immigration than having "giant camps" for the purposes of "mass deportation".

Not only will mistakes surely be made, for which the human consequences will be enormous, but I highly doubt those who will enforce the security in these camps will be doing so ethically and with humanity.

The potential for a downward spiral into the worst aspects of humanity is too great a risk to even think about doing. History tells us this.
 
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It's not rounding anybody up to put them in camps, it's expanding he current detention centers for people crossing illegally that don't currently have the capacity to handle the massive flow. The article is white savior fan fiction, but we already know which posters will answer the call.



PolitiFact did not find evidence that Trump has publicly spoken about plans to build mass detention camps.

But if he were to build these camps...

Miller acknowledged that the camps would be used mainly to detain adults traveling without children. Children cannot be detained indefinitely, according to standards set in the 1997 Flores settlement
 
NY Times articles behind paywalls so I copied and pasted.

Sweeping Raids, Giant Camps and Mass Deportations: Inside Trump’s 2025 Immigration Plans


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Donald J. Trump, wearing a suit and tie, claps during a campaign rally at night.

Donald Trump wants to reimpose a Covid 19-era policy of refusing asylum claims — this time basing that refusal on assertions that migrants carry other infectious diseases like tuberculosis.Credit...Doug Mills/The New York Times

Sweeping Raids, Giant Camps and Mass Deportations: Inside Trump’s 2025 Immigration Plans​

If he regains power, Donald Trump wants not only to revive some of the immigration policies criticized as draconian during his presidency, but expand and toughen them.
Donald Trump wants to reimpose a Covid 19-era policy of refusing asylum claims — this time basing that refusal on assertions that migrants carry other infectious diseases like tuberculosis.Credit...Doug Mills/The New York Times
Charlie SavageMaggie HabermanJonathan Swan
By Charlie Savage, Maggie Haberman and Jonathan Swan
  • Nov. 11, 2023

Former President Donald J. Trump is planning an extreme expansion of his first-term crackdown on immigration if he returns to power in 2025 — including preparing to round up undocumented people already in the United States on a vast scale and detain them in sprawling camps while they wait to be expelled.
The plans would sharply restrict both legal and illegal immigration in a multitude of ways.
Mr. Trump wants to revive his first-term border policies, including banning entry by people from certain Muslim-majority nations and reimposing a Covid 19-era policy of refusing asylum claims — though this time he would base that refusal on assertions that migrants carry other infectious diseases like tuberculosis.
He plans to scour the country for unauthorized immigrants and deport people by the millions per year.
To help speed mass deportations, Mr. Trump is preparing an enormous expansion of a form of removal that does not require due process hearings. To help Immigration and Customs Enforcement carry out sweeping raids, he plans to reassign other federal agents and deputize local police officers and National Guard soldiers voluntarily contributed by Republican-run states.

To ease the strain on ICE detention facilities, Mr. Trump wants to build huge camps to detain people while their cases are processed and they await deportation flights. And to get around any refusal by Congress to appropriate the necessary funds, Mr. Trump would redirect money in the military budget, as he did in his first term to spend more on a border wall than Congress had authorized.

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A side view of Stephen Miller as he stands and gives a speech.

“Trump will unleash the vast arsenal of federal powers to implement the most spectacular migration crackdown,” said Stephen Miller, Mr. Trump’s former White House aide who was the chief architect of his border control efforts.Credit...Cooper Neill for The New York Times

A side view of Stephen Miller as he stands and gives a speech.

In a public reference to his plans, Mr. Trump told a crowd in Iowa in September: “Following the Eisenhower model, we will carry out the largest domestic deportation operation in American history.” The reference was to a 1954 campaign to round up and expel Mexican immigrants that was named for an ethnic slur — “Operation Wetback.”
The constellation of Mr. Trump’s 2025 plans amounts to an assault on immigration on a scale unseen in modern American history. Millions of undocumented immigrants would be barred from the country or uprooted from it years or even decades after settling here.
Such a scale of planned removals would raise logistical, financial and diplomatic challenges and would be vigorously challenged in court. But there is no mistaking the breadth and ambition of the shift Mr. Trump is eyeing.

In a second Trump presidency, the visas of foreign students who participated in anti-Israel or pro-Palestinian protests would be canceled. U.S. consular officials abroad will be directed to expand ideological screening of visa applicants to block people the Trump administration considers to have undesirable attitudes. People who were granted temporary protected status because they are from certain countries deemed unsafe, allowing them to lawfully live and work in the United States, would have that status revoked.
Similarly, numerous people who have been allowed to live in the country temporarily for humanitarian reasons would also lose that status and be kicked out, including tens of thousands of the Afghans who were evacuated amid the 2021 Taliban takeover and allowed to enter the United States. Afghans holding special visas granted to people who helped U.S. forces would be revetted to see if they really did.
And Mr. Trump would try to end birthright citizenship for babies born in the United States to undocumented parents — by proclaiming that policy to be the new position of the government and by ordering agencies to cease issuing citizenship-affirming documents like Social Security cards and passports to them. That policy’s legal legitimacy, like nearly all of Mr. Trump’s plans, would be virtually certain to end up before the Supreme Court.
In interviews with The New York Times, several Trump advisers gave the most expansive and detailed description yet of Mr. Trump’s immigration agenda in a potential second term. In particular, Mr. Trump’s campaign referred questions for this article to Stephen Miller, an architect of Mr. Trump’s first-term immigration policies who remains close to him and is expected to serve in a senior role in a second administration.
All of the steps Trump advisers are preparing, Mr. Miller contended in a wide-ranging interview, rely on existing statutes; while the Trump team would likely seek a revamp of immigration laws, the plan was crafted to need no new substantive legislation. And while acknowledging that lawsuits would arise to challenge nearly every one of them, he portrayed the Trump team’s daunting array of tactics as a “blitz” designed to overwhelm immigrant-rights lawyers.


“Any activists who doubt President Trump’s resolve in the slightest are making a drastic error: Trump will unleash the vast arsenal of federal powers to implement the most spectacular migration crackdown,” Mr. Miller said, adding, “The immigration legal activists won’t know what’s happening.”
Todd Schulte, the president of FWD.us, an immigration and criminal justice advocacy group that repeatedly fought the Trump administration, said the Trump team’s plans relied on “xenophobic demagoguery” that appeals to his hardest-core political base.
“Americans should understand these policy proposals are an authoritarian, often illegal, agenda that would rip apart nearly every aspect of American life — tanking the economy, violating the basic civil rights of millions of immigrants and native-born Americans alike,” Mr. Schulte said.

‘Poisoning the Blood’​


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Dozens of migrants sit and stand on a Manhattan sidewalk waiting to be processed.

Migrants gather outside the Roosevelt Hotel in Midtown Manhattan in August, waiting to be processed.Credit...Jeenah Moon for The New York Times

Dozens of migrants sit and stand on a Manhattan sidewalk waiting to be processed.

Since Mr. Trump left office, the political environment on immigration has moved in his direction. He is also more capable now of exploiting that environment if he is re-elected than he was when he first won election as an outsider.

The ebbing of the Covid-19 pandemic and resumption of travel flows have helped stir a global migrant crisis, with millions of Venezuelans and Central Americans fleeing turmoil and Africans arriving in Latin American countries before continuing their journey north. Amid the record numbers of migrants at the southern border and beyond it in cities like New York and Chicago, voters are frustrated and even some Democrats are calling for tougher action against immigrants and pressuring the White House to better manage the crisis.
Mr. Trump and his advisers see the opening, and now know better how to seize it. The aides Mr. Trump relied upon in the chaotic early days of his first term were sometimes at odds and lacked experience in how to manipulate the levers of federal power. By the end of his first term, cabinet officials and lawyers who sought to restrain some of his actions — like his Homeland Security secretary and chief of staff, John F. Kelly — had been fired, and those who stuck with him had learned much.

In a second term, Mr. Trump plans to install a team that will not restrain him.
Since much of Mr. Trump’s first-term immigration crackdown was tied up in the courts, the legal environment has tilted in his favor: His four years of judicial appointments left behind federal appellate courts and a Supreme Court that are far more conservative than the courts that heard challenges to his first-term policies.
The fight over Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals provides an illustration.
DACA is an Obama-era program that shields from deportation and grants work permits to people who were brought unlawfully to the United States as children. Mr. Trump tried to end it, but the Supreme Court blocked him on procedural grounds in June 2020.
Mr. Miller said Mr. Trump would try again to end DACA. And the 5-4 majority of the Supreme Court that blocked the last attempt no longer exists: A few months after the DACA ruling, Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg died and Mr. Trump replaced her with a sixth conservative, Justice Amy Coney Barrett.

Mr. Trump’s rhetoric has more than kept up with his increasingly extreme agenda on immigration.
His stoking of fear and anger toward immigrants — pushing for a border wall and calling Mexicans rapists — fueled his 2016 takeover of the Republican Party. As president, he privately mused about developing a militarized border like Israel’s, asked whether migrants crossing the border could be shot in the legs and wanted a proposed border wall topped with flesh-piercing spikes and painted black to burn migrants’ skin.
As he has campaigned for the party’s third straight presidential nomination, his anti-immigrant tone has only grown harsher. In a recent interview with a right-wing website, Mr. Trump claimed without evidence that foreign leaders were deliberately emptying their “insane asylums” to send the patients across America’s southern border as migrants. He said migrants were “poisoning the blood of our country.” And at a rally on Wednesday in Florida, he compared them to the fictional serial killer and cannibal Hannibal Lecter, saying, “That’s what’s coming into our country right now.”
Mr. Trump had similarly vowed to carry out mass deportations when running for office in 2016, but the government only managed several hundred thousand removals per year under his presidency, on par with other recent administrations. If they get another opportunity, Mr. Trump and his team are determined to achieve annual numbers in the millions.

Keeping People Out​


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Migrants stand in a line on the side of a road, in the glow of a truck’s headlights.

Migrants wait to be escorted by Border Patrol agents to a processing area in September. Mr. Trump’s stoking of fear and anger toward immigrants fueled his 2016 takeover of the Republican Party. Credit...Mark Abramson for The New York Times

Migrants stand in a line on the side of a road, in the glow of a truck’s headlights.
 
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