Trump threatens real-socialism nation Venezuela: 'I'm not going to rule out a military option'

[TheGreatA]

South Vietnam was never a democracy, it was a series of military dictatorships after the US plot to have Diem assassinated.

Any country is a "military dictatorship" during a state of war. But there were attempts at holding elections and forming a more legitimate form of government. Of course it crashed to pieces, because again, the democratic will was weaker than the socialist will. The Vietnamese would not rally behind the idea of democracy, like they rallied for socialism.

For the moment.

They will never reach USSR levels of power and cruelty, not in the modern world.

Resistance was meaningless it collapsed on its own.

Not much of a relief to those people who lived their whole lives under USSR rule. Resistance wasn't meaningless, but at that time the balance of power in the world wasn't clearly in favour of democratic governing, like it is now. Nobody would risk a large-scale conflict with USSR like they would with a shitty regime like Venezuela, as long as there's any kind of a horse to back in the race.

The fact that government controls the distribution of food, medicine and the such is probably the reason why they dont revolt at a large scale.

The second was that there were democratic elections lined for 2018 so people had hope to oust him through democratic means.

Meanwhile the government keeps stocking the guns and food for itself all with cooperation from Cuba.

Too damn bad.

People have revolted under far worse conditions.

You cannot fight for a people that do not want to fight. The point of socialism is to completely control the distribution of food, medicine and such while dis-arming the population, so that they become powerless. They wanted it, and they sure as hell got it.

Again, Syria was never a democracy.

It was, but democratic rule never lasted long.

 

[ehtheist]

lecter, I don't like your snarky tone. The problem of Venezuela isn't socialism, it is America sanctioning them and conspiring with Saudi Arabia to lower the price of oil. It is a problem of world banks trying to get back at them for cutting off ties years ago.

You can take your sarcasm and shove it up your piehole.

IDL, is that you?

 

[Rod1]

People have revolted under far worse conditions.

You cannot fight for a people that do not want to fight.

 

[Rod1]

But there were attempts at holding elections and forming a more legitimate form of government. Of course it crashed to pieces, because again, the democratic will was weaker than the socialist will. The Vietnamese would not rally behind the idea of democracy, like they rallied for socialism.

Nobody voted to make Maduro a dictator, thats why Maduro had to disobey congress, the attorney general and the Constitution and made its own congress.

The executive in every country controls the military not much that can be done at this point.

You are also talking about hypoheticals, Syria and SV never had real democracies unlike Venezuela, there is no point of comparison.

 

[TheGreatA]

If mass demonstrations against a government were enough reason to invade a country and replace such a government, America would be invaded on a daily basis.

They need to do a lot more if they want someone else, from another country, to risk their hide for their sake.

 

[7437]

For most of the times the US was actually fighting against democrats in order to establish autocrats to protect American corporations and/or because they believed a democratic country would lean to the communists.

Maduro has effectively voted him a dictator at this point, that certainly requires international action.

There are lots of dicatators. They are not our problem. Not in Syria. Not in Venezuela. Not in Guinea.

 

[TheGreatA]

Nobody voted to make Maduro a dictator, thats why Maduro had to disobey congress, the attorney general and the Constitution and made its own congress.

The executive in every country controls the military not much that can be done at this point.

You are also talking about hypoheticals, Syria and SV never had real democracies unlike Venezuela, there is no point of comparison.

From what I have seen, Maduro hasn't done anything differently from what, for example, Erdogan has done. He made it clear that he was going to continue Hugo Chavez's legacy, and he sure as hell did.

The Venezuelan people do not like that their food, medicine, arms and democratic liberties are being taken away? Tough luck. Stop voting in favour of socialism then.

 

[ReAnimator Reagan]

Sounds like a great idea. Maybe we can declare the oil belongs 2 the ppl of USA and use the $ 2 eliminate 75% of extreme poverty, provide free health & education 4 all
Article:

On Friday afternoon, President Trump took a break from his working vacation to speak with the press on a variety of matters. Asked whether the United States would go to war with North Korea, Trump responded curtly, “I think you know the answer to that.” On Mike Pence running in 2020: “I don’t think so.” On North Korean state television ripping Trump: “Let me hear others say it, because when you say that, I don’t know what you’re referring to…Let me hear Kim Jung Un say it, he hasn’t been saying much for the last three days.”

But the statement that got the most headlines was his take on Venezuela, where dictator Nicolas Maduro is strengthening his power. Trump said:

We have many options for Venezuela, and by the way, I’m not going to rule out a military option. We have many options for Venezuela. This is our neighbor, you know we’re all over the world, and we have troops all over the world in places that are very far away. Venezuela is not very far away. And the people are suffering and they’re dying. We have many options for Venezuela including a possible military option if necessary.

Asked whether the US would lead such an operation, Trump demurred.

According to Reuters, the Pentagon has already said the US military “has not received any orders on Venezuela.”

It’s fine for Trump to say that all options are open with regard to Venezuela. But going out of his way to threaten military intervention isn’t particularly useful – Maduro has been utilizing the supposed prospect of American intervention in Venezuela as a bugaboo in order to rally support for his horrifying regime. Furthermore, there’s no evidence that the United States has considered seriously any military action in Venezuela to this point.

All of which is a problem for credibility. When President Obama drew a red line in Syria and then refused to enforce it, the rest of the world took notice; Russia and China quickly became aggressive. Trump making empty threats may sound good to him on the morning shows when played back, but if he doesn’t fulfill those threats, then he becomes another paper tiger. Trump can't just say stuff. What he says matters, even if he doesn't think it should. He can’t afford to blow his foreign policy credibility.
http://www.dailywire.com/news/19645/watch-trump-threatens-venezuela-im-not-going-rule-ben-shapiro

Just saying!

 

[Trotsky]

@Trotsky

Yeah, this is unfortunate. The Maduro administration is incompetent and did a shameful job in failing to diversify the economy, but the oligarch-funded right-wing opposition is insanely violent and has made it clear that they have no demands other than chaos.

 

[AviatorShades]

Seems like trump is now realizing he has the keys to the car.




Did anybody really think this wasn't going to happen?

I still don't think it's going to happen. Are you saying you think it will?

The NK situation leaves the outside world with few choices other than intervention, but I very much doubt we will see a conventional US military presence in Venezuela within the next couple years.

(If you weren't being literal and just wanted to take a pot shot at ORANGE DRUMPF!!!, then nevermind, don't reply)

 

[Sycho Sid]

I am still not sure why we would invade Venezuela?

 

[Fawlty]

Military intervention in Latin America to "fight socialism"?
Unheard of.

Yeah, that exactly exact thing hasn't been a repeated fucking disaster that we try to forget. Maybe it will work this time.

 

[FrankensteinMMA]

But trumpettes told me he was not a globalist and only hillary was a warhawk.

They said trump will put more effort into MAGA.

 

[Joe]

Our record in Latin America is pretty awful. Hell, central america alone is horrific. Might as well give it another shot.

 

[Rod1]

From what I have seen, Maduro hasn't done anything differently from what, for example, Erdogan has done. He made it clear that he was going to continue Hugo Chavez's legacy, and he sure as hell did.

The Venezuelan people do not like that their food, medicine, arms and democratic liberties are being taken away? Tough luck. Stop voting in favour of socialism then.

Erdogan has voted himself increased powers but he has not jumped the shark

 

[Rod1]

Yeah, that exactly exact thing hasn't been a repeated fucking disaster that we try to forget. Maybe it will work this time.

Most of the times America worked to undermine democracy.

But now its a democracy in trouble and people complain about it?

 

[Rod1]

Any country is a "military dictatorship" during a state of war. But there were attempts at holding elections and forming a more legitimate form of government. Of course it crashed to pieces, because again, the democratic will was weaker than the socialist will. The Vietnamese would not rally behind the idea of democracy, like they rallied for socialism.



They will never reach USSR levels of power and cruelty, not in the modern world.



Not much of a relief to those people who lived their whole lives under USSR rule. Resistance wasn't meaningless, but at that time the balance of power in the world wasn't clearly in favour of democratic governing, like it is now. Nobody would risk a large-scale conflict with USSR like they would with a shitty regime like Venezuela, as long as there's any kind of a horse to back in the race.



Too damn bad.

People have revolted under far worse conditions.

You cannot fight for a people that do not want to fight. The point of socialism is to completely control the distribution of food, medicine and such while dis-arming the population, so that they become powerless. They wanted it, and they sure as hell got it.



It was, but democratic rule never lasted long.

No they did not wanted it. Not more than Russians wanted the bolsheviks to do the same

 

[irish_thug]

Trump going Hard AF on Communist Dictators

Rightly so.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

Trump going Hard AF on Communist Dictators

Denmark better watch its back.

 

[Amerikuracana]

Get in

Take oil

Get out

Never happens. Don't pretend it does.