International Venezuela / Guyana (possible) conflict

[Rholk]

Could another conflict be on the horizon, this time in South america:

World Court orders Venezuela to refrain from action in border dispute with Guyana​

By Stephanie van den Berg and Vivian Sequera
December 1, 202311:32 PM GMT+1Updated 11 hours ago


THE HAGUE/CARACAS, Dec 1 (Reuters) - Judges at the World Court on Friday ordered Venezuela to refrain from taking any action that would alter the situation on the ground in a potentially oil-rich territory that is the subject of a border dispute with Guyana, which controls the area.

The court did not expressly forbid Venezuela from going ahead with a referendum on Sunday over its rights to the region around the Esequibo river, as Guyana has requested.

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But judges at the International Court of Justice (ICJ) - as the World Court is formally known - ruled that any move to alter the status quo should be stopped.

"The court observes that the situation that currently prevails in the territory in dispute is that Guyana administers and exercises control over that area," presiding judge Joan Donoghue said.

"Venezuela must refrain from taking any action which would modify that situation," she added.

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Guyana's President Irfaan Ali hailed the court's ruling, while Venezuelan Vice-President Delcy Rodriguez said it was a victory for her country.

"As the court has made clear, Venezuela is prohibited from annexing or trespassing upon Guyanese territory or taking any other actions – regardless of the outcome of its referendum on December 3 – that would alter the status quo in which Guyana administers and controls the Esequibo region," Ali said in a statement.

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The five-question referendum will go ahead, Rodriguez said on state television, adding that Venezuela wants a negotiated solution to the dispute.

The vote "will ratify that our rights over the Guayana Esequiba are irrevocable and unquestionable," Rodriguez said.

The vote about the 160,000 square km (61,776 square mile) territory, which is largely thick jungle, has caused anxiety in Guyana, with the government urging citizens to keep calm.


Venezuela reactivated its claim on the area in recent years after the discovery of offshore oil and gas. The maritime border between the two countries is also in dispute.

Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro has vociferously encouraged voters to approve the referendum, in what political analysts say is a test of government support before planned 2024 presidential elections.

Venezuela's dispute with Guyana may have an impact on the elections, said security analyst Rocio San Miguel of the Citizen Watchdog on Security, Defense and the Armed Forces.

"If the elections represent a threat to Maduro's power, he'll suspend them through this route," she said, calling the dispute "a perfect distraction tactic."

She said that while Venezuela has significantly more military power than Guyana, it would not be able to stand up to Guyana's allies, which include the United States.

The referendum, which is "consultative" and can be approved by simple majority, asks Venezuelans, among other things, if they agree to incorporate the region and create a state called Guayana Esequiba.

Political analysts expect voters to approve the proposal, given the lack of any 'no' campaign and the likelihood that voters who are opposed will stay home.

Friday's ruling is the latest development in the larger border dispute. The ICJ said in April it had jurisdiction over the case, but a final ruling could be years away.

Cliffs:
-Venezuela and Guyana have a long history of border disputes, altho for the last 40/50 years, it's largely been settled.
-Recent discoveries of oil reserves on Guyana territories have led to Venezuela once again claiming a large part of said territories;
-Guyana asked the UN to intervene, and the UN court has decided Venezuela's territorial claims to be false;
-In respone to this enezuelan leader Maduro has organised a referendum on whether or not to attempt and annex the Guyana territories (taking place 12-03, tomorrow),
Some people are calling this move a distraction/political tactic;
-The Venezuelan military is alot bigger than Guyana's
-Guyana has the US as an ally, Venezuela has been able to rely on the support of Russia.

So what do we make of this,

Will it fizzle out? is it a power play by Madura aimed at internal politics?
Or will they pursue their claims and invade/annex.
Does the US launch operation ̶D̶e̶s̶e̶r̶t̶ Jungle Shield in response?

 

[Fluffernutter]

If you don't support the US sending billions to Guyana, you are a Maduro Muppet

 

[cottagecheesefan]

the Biden admin will not be happy until there is a conflict on every continent they can send money to

 

[Cuauhtemoc]

The US and the UK will completely destroy Venezuela if they are able to advance. It would be like Desert Storm. But it's likely Guyana would be able to hold the..
Also, Russia would be unable to do anything nor they would want to. There are Russian companies operating in Guyana.
Brazil, the largest country bordering the two nations, has been urging Venezuela to step down and would likely allow all kinds of supply to flow to Guyana.
Also, Guyana's military may be small but it's well trained to fight in the region.
Lastly, Venezuela is a collapsing country, they can barely feed their citizens much less a moving army through the jungle.

 

[LeonardoBjj]

Could another conflict be on the horizon, this time in South america:



Cliffs:
-Venezuela and Guyana have a long history of border disputes, altho for the last 40/50 years, it's largely been settled.
-Recent discoveries of oil reserves on Guyana territories have led to Venezuela once again claiming a large part of said territories;
-Guyana asked the UN to intervene, and the UN court has decided Venezuela's territorial claims to be false;
-In respone to this enezuelan leader Maduro has organised a referendum on whether or not to attempt and annex the Guyana territories (taking place 12-03, tomorrow),
Some people are calling this move a distraction/political tactic;
-The Venezuelan military is alot bigger than Guyana's
-Guyana has the US as an ally, Venezuela has been able to rely on the support of Russia.

So what do we make of this,

Will it fizzle out? is it a power play by Madura aimed at internal politics?
Or will they pursue their claims and invade/annex.
Does the US launch operation ̶D̶e̶s̶e̶r̶t̶ Jungle Shield in response?

- I hope it's doesn't becomes a war. Would Maduro have balls to this?

 

[LeonardoBjj]

The US and the UK will completely destroy Venezuela if they are able to advance. It would be like Desert Storm. But it's likely Guyana would be able to hold the..
Also, Russia would be unable to do anything nor they would want to. There are Russian companies operating in Guyana.
Brazil, the largest country bordering the two nations, has been urging Venezuela to step down and would likely allow all kinds of supply to flow to Guyana.
Also, Guyana's military may be small but it's well trained to fight in the region.
Lastly, Venezuela is a collapsing country, they can barely feed their citizens much less a moving army through the jungle.

- That's is what i hope. The consequences would be horrible to the Venezuelan people, that already struggle because Maduros power grab!

 

[SalvadorAllende]

Lastly, Venezuela is a collapsing country, they can barely feed their citizens much less a moving army through the jungle.

Pretty much. This is all smoke. Venezuela can't do jack shit.

 

[Barteh]

It's crazy how one dude can fuck up a country so much. Although I have no doubt sanctions and American influence played a big role too.

 

[USA!USA!]

This seems very unwise for Venezuela. Not sure what they think would happen if they made a move. Nothing good for them.

 

[BlankaPresident]

 

[CantCucktheTuck]

Didn’t their navy already lose to a cruise ship?

 

[Goonerview]

Looks like Venezuela needs some freedom.

I’m sure Raytheon and Lockheed Martin lobbyists are pushing for peaceful outcomes and are definitely not lobbying for another war …

 

[TeTe]

If you don't support the US sending billions to Guyana, you are a Maduro Muppet

Free Jonestown!

 

[Possum Jenkins]

Venezuela should just be like



Easy

 

[koquerelle]

the Biden admin will not be happy until there is a conflict on every continent they can send money to

How is it any different from other Presidents? The planet has been a chessboard since WWII.

 

[San Marino]

The US now has US Marines on the ground in Guyana.

 

[San Marino]

@ColemanwastheGOAT
Lol. That post removal did not take long. Nice censorship by our local moderator.
Got to follow the right narrative, otherwise you get deleted or yellow carded.
Let us see how long my post stays up.
The old George Orwell quote - Animal Farm:
“All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.”

 

[Renard]

I had low-key forgotten Guyana even existed.

 

[cottagecheesefan]

How is it any different from other Presidents? The planet has been a chessboard since WWII.

Can take the Trump doctrine and try to not get involved in conflict, but rather build business ties, etc, like the Abraham accords. And use business like sanctioning nord stream 2, to cut down on funding Russia. Sanctions on Iran, so as not to fund Iran. In addition to Biden unfreezing billions of Iran money, much more so, he lifted sanctions, which made them tens of billions, if not a hundred billion.

I think that is all pretty straight forward. Bless Trump for bringing a straight forward, common sense approach to government and the presidency. Sorry if I don’t want to fun either Israel or Iran, let alone BOTH.

 

[Halifax]

Free Jonestown!

I read your belt as "yeah, she squirts" and had to do a double take wondering why you had that title LOL