Trump doesn't want immigrants from s***hole countries

Discussion in 'The War Room' started by TapoutforSprawl, Jan 11, 2018.

  1. Greoric

    Greoric Gold Belt

    Joined:
    Feb 9, 2006
    Messages:
    15,196
    Likes Received:
    6,680
    Not necessary. It's a contradiction in terms with the same problem that the original anarchists had about understanding how people spontaneously organize in the absence of a state.
     
  2. Ruprecht

    Ruprecht Hands Of The Judges Staff Member Senior Moderator

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2004
    Messages:
    32,420
    Likes Received:
    14,269
    There are observable differences between any arbitrarily selected group.
    The idea with theories like r-K selection is that they should be validated by predictive usability, not that they should become popular because they serve as a crude framework on which to carefully position selected facts as "scientific" justification for some odious ideology.
     
  3. Viva

    Viva Dragon Energy

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2009
    Messages:
    30,191
    Likes Received:
    1,927
    Location:
    greater appalachia
    But these groups are not arbitrarily selected. Differences between the races have been studied for centuries and these separate groups are commonly compared to better understand inherent differences whether they be biological or social. I've cited an observable trend that is historically prevalent, and not comparing arbitrary groups but rather groups that are constantly compared in a myriad of ways.

    You're dancing around the question at hand, attempting to frame this as a matter of ideological posturing. This is not the case at all. Rushton's findings as well as findings from Jean Francois Gariepy of Duke University seem to go against your claim that its an illegitimate form of biological assessment.
     
  4. Ruprecht

    Ruprecht Hands Of The Judges Staff Member Senior Moderator

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2004
    Messages:
    32,420
    Likes Received:
    14,269
    "Differences between the races have been studied for centuries and these separate groups are commonly compared to better understand inherent differences whether they be biological or social. I've cited an observable trend that is historically prevalent, and not comparing arbitrary groups but rather groups that are constantly compared in a myriad of ways." - that doesn't make the selection anything other than arbitrary.

    I'm not dancing around anything. In published science r-K selection has been discredited as an evolutionary model/heuristic due to it's simplicity and lack of predictive value.
    It's recently been popularised by the fringe right (and that applies as much to Rushton as the bloggers and youtubers I mentioned).
    The r-K selection theory centers around fertility rate, and racial theories have nothing to offer there given the similarity of fertility rates up until industrialisation and then the similarity of the resulting decline.
    Rushton's early findings were his selective literature review based in self-reported analyses. He's popular with your mob because he justifies your ideology, and broadly discounted outside of it (outside of those funded by the Pioneer Fund) for poor methodology. Simple as that.
    I've never heard of Jean Francois Gariepy, but if I were a betting man I'd put money on him being a similar figure.
     
  5. waiguoren

    waiguoren Silver Belt

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2009
    Messages:
    11,018
    Likes Received:
    7,345
  6. deltapapha

    deltapapha Brown Belt

    Joined:
    Nov 16, 2015
    Messages:
    3,106
    Likes Received:
    2,588
    Corruption (Shithole) Perception Index 2016

    can anyone spot the shitholes? And which continent has the most shitholes per capita

    [​IMG]
     
    Last edited: Jan 14, 2018
    Contra-dictator and waiguoren like this.
  7. machidafan99

    machidafan99 Silver Belt

    Joined:
    Feb 28, 2014
    Messages:
    12,878
    Likes Received:
    6,442
    [​IMG]
    Don't worry. He'll make a few calls and all will be fixed.
     
    waiguoren likes this.
  8. Viva

    Viva Dragon Energy

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2009
    Messages:
    30,191
    Likes Received:
    1,927
    Location:
    greater appalachia
    Who has disproven it? It may have been "discredited" by some, but the theory itself has yet to be disproven and even if you observe the life history paradigm it borrows many elements directly from those hypothesized in r/k selection theory. You seem happy to discredit Rushton's report based on speculative reasoning, however you seem hesitant to do the same regarding your own sources. From what I can gather you're implying that my arguments are grounded in cognitive dissonance, which seems hypocritical considering your own approach.

    Here is JF Gariepy, a reputable biologist, peaking about it.
     
    Last edited: Jan 14, 2018
  9. Ruprecht

    Ruprecht Hands Of The Judges Staff Member Senior Moderator

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2004
    Messages:
    32,420
    Likes Received:
    14,269
    "Watch this youtube video"...
    Yeah, right.

    Cognitive dissonance? No, confirmation bias.
    My own sources? The entire field of evolutionary ecology for the past three decades?
    There's nothing speculative about it. For a start what Georic was proposing wasn't Rushton's assertions. Rushton never applied r/K selection to individuals within a population, let alone as an explanation of the political spectrum. The fact that you don't even seem to comprehend the difference just shows why your mob laps this stuff up.
    Besides that, the simple problem with Rushtons assertions (besides flawed metholodology and arbitrary labelling of things like endemic disease as r selective instead of K selective) is the argument through assertion that the differences he proposes to have measured with a literature review consisting of self-reported tests, are best explained through r/K selection. Despite the fact that this contradicts the history of human development prior to the industrial revolution, and with no adequate consideration of other/alternative explanations. Notably, the exact environmental/mortality related factors that have superseded the simplistic r/K continuum as a model due to better predictive success.
     
    HomerThompson likes this.
  10. SummerStriker

    SummerStriker Black Belt

    Joined:
    Sep 5, 2012
    Messages:
    7,400
    Likes Received:
    1,687
  11. syct23

    syct23 ...ElipsisBelt...

    Joined:
    Jun 10, 2008
    Messages:
    17,796
    Likes Received:
    4,570
    Location:
    In The Sweat Lodge
    THIS IS GOLD JERRY!!!
     
  12. Liquid Smoke

    Liquid Smoke Great artists steal™

    Joined:
    Jul 11, 2013
    Messages:
    11,926
    Likes Received:
    12,340
    What has to go wrong in a person's life for them to latch on to a notion as asinine as this?
     
    Contra-dictator and AnGrYcRoW like this.
  13. Liquid Smoke

    Liquid Smoke Great artists steal™

    Joined:
    Jul 11, 2013
    Messages:
    11,926
    Likes Received:
    12,340
    That looks funny now, but don't kid yourself, that phone was sweet in its day.
     
  14. nac386

    nac386 Gold Belt

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2014
    Messages:
    18,778
    Likes Received:
    27,381
    That's cool, how's the rest of your 8th grade year going?
     
    Limbo Pete, Sohei and HomerThompson like this.
  15. SummerStriker

    SummerStriker Black Belt

    Joined:
    Sep 5, 2012
    Messages:
    7,400
    Likes Received:
    1,687
  16. goldennirvana

    goldennirvana Satanic black magic!

    Joined:
    Mar 20, 2014
    Messages:
    7,297
    Likes Received:
    7,198
    It's not a statement of arrogance if it's true.
     
  17. sniper

    sniper so poor.... and so black

    Joined:
    Sep 1, 2005
    Messages:
    11,315
    Likes Received:
    29,754
    45 pages for this? Jesus christ
     
    Liquid Smoke likes this.
  18. Liquid Smoke

    Liquid Smoke Great artists steal™

    Joined:
    Jul 11, 2013
    Messages:
    11,926
    Likes Received:
    12,340
    Fucking horrible rendition.
     
  19. Liquid Smoke

    Liquid Smoke Great artists steal™

    Joined:
    Jul 11, 2013
    Messages:
    11,926
    Likes Received:
    12,340
    This really hit home for some people. The war room is a shithole.
     
    AnGrYcRoW likes this.
  20. Sketch

    Sketch ?.?.?.?.?.?

    Joined:
    Mar 13, 2007
    Messages:
    22,669
    Likes Received:
    11,718
    Location:
    .....
    Should be 100.
     

Share This Page