Social There were roughly 12 million Indians living in America when Europeans arrived, by 1900 there was just 237,000. How is that not a genocide?

[KOPPE]

yeah there is a secret conspiracy to genocide white people via immigration because the elites are really mad about white settler colonialism

take a look at your fertility rates. and try to laugh.

 

[fedoriswar37]

It is. Nobody's debating that. They came , they conquered. And if were being honest, it was probably for the best

 

[Cuauhtemoc]

Someone's lying with extreme hyberbole to make a point?

Shocking

American Indians and Alaska Natives - By the Numbers

www.acf.hhs.gov

There are 5.2 million American Indians and Alaska Natives making up approximately 2 percent of the U.S. population.
There are 14 states with more than 100,000 American Indian or Alaska Native residents. These states are California, Oklahoma, Arizona, Texas, New Mexico, Washington, New York, North Carolina, Florida, Alaska, Michigan, Oregon, Colorado and Minnesota.

How many of these are actually natives and not similar to Elizabeth "Pocahontas" Warren? Every time I see some video about modern American Indians it's filled with these blonde white people claiming some distant relative.

 

[Cuauhtemoc]

A good portion of the deaths came from diseases they had no immunities too. They would have eventually ran into European, African, and Asian viruses. Europe lost like half it's population during the black plague and has been hit with plagues for millennia. It's nothing new the devastation that can happen. It wasn't just smallpox the natives got hit with. It was a whole array of diseases.

Smallpox, Measles, Influenza, Whooping cough, Typhus, Mumps, Chickenpox..diseases that Europeans had immunities too from thousands of years trade with Asia and Africa.

The problem is that they didn't have time to recover because by then their lands were settled by other people. If Europe had been invaded by a somewhat advanced people that was resistant to the Black Death during that time it is likely that at least parts of Europe wouldn't be inhabited by native Europeans nowadays.
In Mesoamerica the effects of the plagues were made worse by forced labor into unsanitary places such as mines and plantations. Add the lack of food as the Spaniards destroyed the traditional farms and you have a much worse disaster.

 

[ferrisjso]

How many of these are actually natives and not similar to Elizabeth "Pocahontas" Warren? Every time I see some video about modern American Indians it's filled with these blonde white people claiming some distant relative.

Elizabeth had an unusually strong incentive to lie because she was applying to elite law schools. In most other aspects of life that incentive isn't there.

But yes a larger and larger percentage of natives aren't fully native. Thats the whole reason her story was believed until she ran for President because theres so many true stories like it and probing into it earlier would have been seen as really disrespectful.

Also it's worth noting the descendants of the real Pocahaontas are WASPs living in Virginia. So it always felt like a weird example to use. Its been 400 years.

 

[emefer]

The Natives also genocided the Europeans by giving them Syphilis which they did not have any immunity to, and they brought that shit back with them to Europe, killing a ton Europeans

That was just instant karma for all the raping

 

[nonoob]

The Natives also genocided the Europeans by giving them Syphilis

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[Goonerview]

Ok …

 

[Osculater]

That was just instant karma for all the raping

You win some and you lose some

 

[emefer]

You win some and you lose some

 

[Cuauhtemoc]

Elizabeth had an unusually strong incentive to lie because she was applying to elite law schools. In most other aspects of life that incentive isn't there.

But yes a larger and larger percentage of natives aren't fully native. Thats the whole reason her story was believed until she ran for President because theres so many true stories like it and probing into it earlier would have been seen as really disrespectful.

Also it's worth noting the descendants of the real Pocahaontas are WASPs living in Virginia. So it always felt like a weird example to use. Its been 400 years.

It probably helps with affirmative action, even if not to an elite school, and you can also carry a tribal card saying you're native which is probably pretty cool.
My point is just that from a genetic point of view there are very few natives left.

 

[Mike Hagger]

It’s genocide, it’s not genocide, what’s the point? You modern liberals just love to freely toss that term around. You act like the history books we grew up with don’t mention how terrible the settlers ended up being for the natives or how terrible the US Gov treated them. It’s pretty clear, shit was bad.

Cool. What’s next?

 

[ferrisjso]

It probably helps with affirmative action, even if not to an elite school, and you can also carry a tribal card saying you're native which is probably pretty cool.
My point is just that from a genetic point of view there are very few natives left.

Law schools don't use AA they give "Underrepresentated minoritys"(AAs, Mexicans and Natives) a bump. We don't know exactly what it is but when I was applying people thought it was 5 or 6 LSAT points(which is huge). Given that natives are by far the rarest of those 3 groups it probably does even more. Thats why she got so much shit for it. Its not the same as lying about your race on a college app.

 

[djacobox372]

It is. Nobody's debating that. They came , they conquered. And if were being honest, it was probably for the best

That "for the best" argument is one that people are too often afraid to consider.

Throughout history civilizations have clashed, and one wins out over the other... nearly all fitting the definition of "genocide."

But that's how cultural evolution occurs... the culture that is promotes the most prosperity among it's people typically is at an advantage over those that are less prosperous. Ultimately the result is, more often than not, a better future for all future generations.

 

[fedoriswar37]

That "for the best" argument is one that people are too often afraid to consider.

Throughout history civilizations have clashed, and one wins out over the other... nearly all fitting the definition of "genocide."

But that's how cultural evolution occurs... the culture that is promotes the most prosperity among it's people typically is at an advantage over those that are less prosperous. Ultimately the result is, more often than not, a better future for all future generations.

It's an uncomfortable conversation for some , but it's just the harsh reality. Am I supposed to believe that America (Canada USA) would be somewhere people would want to immigrate to had the settlers not come here and colonized hundreds of years ago ? Unlikely.