The undisputed HW title should be awarded to the fighter who defends first

[barillas]

I was a Jones hater in the past, I've abandoned this feeling in the last years but now I'm becoming a hater again. This whole thing about not dropping the HW belt is totally retard, it makes no sense for the interim champ to have to defend the interim belt

 

[barillas]

When there are 2 champs they should obviously fight each other to unify the belt.

That's the point, the interim is supposed to defend the belt while the "real" champ is out. That's why it's called interim champion, it literally means 'champion in the interim'.

But as soon as the champ is back they are supposed to defend against the interim champion.

It doesn't matter that Jon was previously booked against Stipe before Tom became interim champ. Circumstances change, Stipe lost whatever shaky claim he had to being #1 contender the moment he turned down the fight with Pavlovich for the interim belt.

Yep, this is taking away the legitimacy of the belt. In my eyes Tom is the real champ right now, Jones vs Stipe is a gimmick fight

 

[barillas]

the champ is refusing to fight the interim champ

Then he should be striped of the belt, simple as that

 

[Poirierfan]

Jon might as well fight Tony Ferguson for his retirement fight, it would have just as much significance as the Stipe fight imo.

 

[El Fernas]

And then what? UFC can give out another interim title?

UFC don't give a fawk. These are props to move PPVs.

Pavlovich vs Aspinall was never a PPV bout, they added a belt to it, and even then, it wasnt the main event, most sherdoggers fail to see this, they hate on Jones, but if there is a paperish champ between them its the one that beat the lower ranked opponent to get the belt.

This is an unusual situation. The HW champ is out with an injury and now we have an interim champ who has equal claim to the disputed belt. Normally this conundrum of two simultaneous champs would be resolved by a unification bout at the first possible moment. Now we have a situation where the champ is refusing to fight the interim champ. This still leaves two champs with equal claim to the undisputed belt.

In this case the first to successfully defend should be awarded the undisputed HW belt

Right?

Out with an injury, the rest is all conjecture from you.

 

[markg171]

I like the part where you completely skipped over that Jones never beat Ngannou, the real undisputed HW Champ or the fact that Jones’ “title defense” is against a 2+ year inactive, 42yr old, coming off a KO loss Stipe instead of an actual worthy contender.

Boy, wait till you find out who Ngannou beat to be champion.

 

[markg171]

When there is an interim title, the belt is in dispute. You seem like an angry little fellow.

Jones won the Vacant HW Title. He never won it from the Undisputed Champ. Now that there is an Interim Title, his belt is “disputed.
Stop turning into a retard because youre swinging from Jones’ nuts.

So strange how when they fight it's the existing champion's belt on the line. Not the interim's. That if the champ wins they successfully defended, and if the interim wins they win an entirely different belt than their own

Interim titles don't mean anything unless the organization uses it to promote them to, wait for it, the actual champion. And even then they can just Tony Ferguson them and refuse to do so and instead make another, wait for it, actual belt to be fought for and ignore the interim entirely.

It's almost like there's only one real belt or something.

 

[Fedora Millionankles]

Boy, wait till you find out who Ngannou beat to be champion.

Boy, wait till you figure out that the person Ngannou beat was the actual Undisputed Champ at the time, unlike Jones who beat the the loser that Ngannou, who competed with a torn Ligament in his knee, defended the Undisputed title against.

 

[Fedora Millionankles]

So strange how when they fight it's the existing champion's belt on the line. Not the interim's. That if the champ wins they successfully defended, and if the interim wins they win an entirely different belt than their own

Interim titles don't mean anything unless the organization uses it to promote them to, wait for it, the actual champion. And even then they can just Tony Ferguson them and refuse to do so and instead make another, wait for it, actual belt to be fought for and ignore the interim entirely.

It's almost like there's only one real belt or something.

Interim title means just that. Once the other belt holder returns, they unify the title. Simple stuff here, guy.

 

[Question]

Jon should be fighting Aspinall for his next MMA bout. That's it, that's all.

If he doesn't come back in a year, Tom officially becomes champ. Simple as that.

It's insane people think otherwise, Jon/Stipe is such a dumb fight and gets worst as each day passes with Stipe being nearly 42.
If they wanna do it, strip the belt and promote Tom to undisputed.

 

[markg171]

Interim title means just that. Once the other belt holder returns, they unify the title. Simple stuff here, guy.

Tony Ferguson says hi.

 

[Dr. Rose]

The UFC should go on the ultimate troll job. Stop calling interim belts "interim" and refer to them as the PRIDE belt being spun off from a lack of being defended. Dana could book these "PRIDE" champion fights with people that do not deserve to have a title fight. This would allow the UFC champions to continually beat the PRIDE champions. Then Dana could go to the press conference afterwards claiming "PRIDE was never that good, they always loose to our champions" and sherbro's heads will explode.

 

[orca]

jones won it first he got injured
tf with your second best fighter proposal

tf dude its like saying dc should be LHW champ
because jon jones was just injured and recovering

2013 acct lmao

its been a decade bro stop it

 

[RockyLockridge]

I was a Jones hater in the past, I've abandoned this feeling in the last years but now I'm becoming a hater again. This whole thing about not dropping the HW belt is totally retard, it makes no sense for the interim champ to have to defend the interim belt

Lol Im in the boat right now jon is being fuckin idioit typically im supportive of him

 

[RockyLockridge]

Tony Ferguson says hi.

irrelevent.

 

[SkinnyClaw]

The problem is they should have never given Aspinal a belt to begin with. Now he feels like he's a champion, which is fair since they gave him a belt, but they should have just waited until Jon retired, and then have whoever is next in line fight for the vacant undisputed belt. If they're going to give Jon what he wants regardless, adding the interim belt into the mix just complicates things. Now Aspinal can mouth off all he wants and no one can say anything, since he has a belt too. It's all bs technicalities anyway, but it would have looked better at least

 

[Captain Herb]

So strange how when they fight it's the existing champion's belt on the line. Not the interim's. That if the champ wins they successfully defended, and if the interim wins they win an entirely different belt than their own

Interim titles don't mean anything unless the organization uses it to promote them to, wait for it, the actual champion. And even then they can just Tony Ferguson them and refuse to do so and instead make another, wait for it, actual belt to be fought for and ignore the interim entirely.

It's almost like there's only one real belt or something.

That's how it works in the UFC, not in a legitimate sport. Both Dana and Jon need to be shamed whenever they talk about fighting Stipe instead of unifying the belts. The pressure's obviously getting to Jon as it forced him to tell a lie about maybe fighting Tom later.

 

[Captain Herb]

The problem is they should have never given Aspinal a belt to begin with. Now he feels like he's a champion, which is fair since they gave him a belt, but they should have just waited until Jon retired, and then have whoever is next in line fight for the vacant undisputed belt. If they're going to give Jon what he wants regardless, adding the interim belt into the mix just complicates things. Now Aspinal can mouth off all he wants and no one can say anything, since he has a belt too. It's all bs technicalities anyway, but it would have looked better at least

Either not make an interim belt, strip Stipe of #1 contender status (which was a joke to begin with) when he didn't fight the scheduled stand-in, or strip Jones when he publicly refused to unify the belts. Any of those would be preferable to this clusterfuck.

 

[RockyLockridge]

The problem is they should have never given Aspinal a belt to begin with. Now he feels like he's a champion, which is fair since they gave him a belt, but they should have just waited until Jon retired, and then have whoever is next in line fight for the vacant undisputed belt. If they're going to give Jon what he wants regardless, adding the interim belt into the mix just complicates things. Now Aspinal can mouth off all he wants and no one can say anything, since he has a belt too. It's all bs technicalities anyway, but it would have looked better at least

it's jones they should have never given a belt to, he's not willing to defend it against the best fighters. He's simply using it as a tool to promote a fight that should not be happening nor should it be for a title.

 

[SkinnyClaw]

it's jones they should have never given a belt to, he's not willing to defend it against the best fighters. He's simply using it as a tool to promote a fight that should not be happening nor should it be for a title.

I think Jon's belt is legitimate. Maybe it doesn't look that way now, but at the time Gane was supposed to be the future, had a super close fight with Ngannou that many people think he won, turned him into a wrestler, etc, Jon was moving up after a long layoff and was supposed to get starched on the feet, but he won fair and square. The Stipe fight is meh, but if the UFC said they want to do it, I don't blame Jon for holding out for an easier retirement fight. The risk/reward ratio here is a no brainer if you are Jon, and idgaf about the heavyweight division enough to be mad that he's holding it up, but I do get where Aspinal is coming from too