The Kim Dotcom thread * Update 2 Oct 2017 - SCOTUS ruling

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22k said:
I forget. didn't they raid his island or some shit?
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They raided him in New Zealand and the local high court has ruled the warrants, raids, and removal of servers and hard drives by FBI agent were all illegal in New Zealand yet the FBI wont return them.
 
Rav1nHunter said:
They raided him in New Zealand and the local high court has ruled the warrants, raids, and removal of servers and hard drives by FBI agent were all illegal in New Zealand yet the FBI wont return them.
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I'll bring the stuff with me if New Zealand gives me citizenship. I hear it's pretty tough to get in there.
 
HomerThompson said:
Lucky man.
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I have only ever been to the Airport their on my way to the states but my wife lived there when she was young.

We are planning on holidaying there in the next couple of years.
 
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HomerThompson said:
"WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Supreme Court on Monday rejected New Zealand-based internet mogul Kim Dotcom’s challenge to the U.S. government’s bid to seize assets held by him and others involved in the now-defunct streaming website Megaupload.

The justices left in place a lower court ruling that the U.S. government could seize up to $40 million in assets held outside the United States as part of a civil forfeiture action being pursued in parallel with criminal charges for alleged copyright violations and money laundering."



http://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...sed-internet-moguls-appeal-idUSKCN1C71OX?il=0


This is a perfect example, for me, of acceptable civil asset forfeiture. He made his money ripping people off, and has no right to those funds in my view. What say you @Fawlty, @Cubo de Sangre?
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Seems good to me.

Also, on drugs, say a suspected kingpin flees the US, leaving a lot of cash on a property here. We can take that and fund his pursuit with it, imo.
 
Fawlty said:
Seems good to me.

Also, on drugs, say a suspected kingpin flees the US, leaving a lot of cash on a property here. We can take that and fund his pursuit with it, imo.
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What about if you go to Holland and smoke some weed do you want to be charged with possession when you get home? Assuming you are American of course.
 
Rav1nHunter said:
What about if you go to Holland and smoke some weed do you want to be charged with possession when you get home? Assuming you are American of course.
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What does that have to do with civil forfeiture of assets that were used in criminal conspiracy in the US? Not seeing the connection.
 
Fawlty said:
What does that have to do with civil forfeiture of assets that were used in criminal conspiracy in the US? Not seeing the connection.
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They seized assets from other countries illegally and refuse to give them back
 
Tropodan said:
Many of you may have heard of this man, a lot of new developments have been happening recently with his case, so I thought I would start a thread on it.

For those of you that don't know who he is, in short, he is an incredibly talented German hacker turned entrepreneur who started Megaupload. He is somewhat of an eccentric, and left Germany after being charged with credit card fraud in the 90's. He now resides in Aukland New Zealand, and has since been taken down by a massive military style raid, his assets have been seized, and he has been place under house arrest. The problem is, it was done all wrong and as more information comes out this is quickly starting to appear like a corrupt attack on him from groups starting in Hollywood, to the Obama administration, and over to the New Zealand Government.

He explains whats going on very well in this interview. Basically, the US has no case. Although it may appear that megaupload was a pure piracy site, this isn't the case. Some important facts to take from this, copy right infringements need to be taken offline within 24 hours of notice. Megaupload complied with over 15 million takedown notices and took them down within and average of 3 hours. Also, most of the content wasn't even copyright infringement, it was people backing up their hard drives and other things.



So what is really going on here.

Hollywood doesn't like the internet. So they paid a lot of money into the current Obama administration to destroy internet freedom. This started with the failed SOPA legislation. Joe Biden is best friends with Chris Dodd who is spear heading this whole thing. They needed to come up with something for Hollywood to justify taking all the money. So they enacted the international organized crime act to go after Kim Dotcom.

This leads into the corruption of the New Zealand Government. The New Zealand government, more importantly Their PM Jon Keys, helped the NSA spy on KIM Dotcom. Something that they were made to admit and apologize for. Jon Keys is also the minister of tourism there. So it is thought that he acted under duress from hollywood pressure. Movies like LOTR and the hobbit have had huge economic implications on the country. Basically it looks like PM Keys fast tracked Kim Dotcoms citizenship application through so that they could spy on him as a New Zealand citizen. It's a lot of info, I wish I could write it better but I'm being tired and lazy and I'm still researching.

There is more information about all of this in this video.



And here is the more popular Vice documentary on him.



He now has started his own political campaign with his InternetMana party. It appears to be picking up a lot of support. His popularity in the country continues to grow, the New Zealand PMs reputation continues to falter, and the United States is stalling the case because they have nothing. It gets kind of interesting here too. I follow him on twitter. After claiming every penny of his funds have been frozen last year. Now he's on twitter flying around on a helicopter, funding millions to his political party, and obviously maintaining his massive estate. So now Hollywood has push for him to disclose all of his funds. Which he has until august to do.

Here is Kim with his supporters



If anybody here has anything to add, or anybody from New Zealand could possibly shed light on how Kim is viewed in the country, please contribute. If you are not going to do the research and look into it, please don't comment. This is a very complicated case.
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FUCK YOU
 
Rav1nHunter said:
They seized assets from other countries
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Okay but the example of smoking weed in Holland still doesn't make sense to me. Charging with possession would be a criminal matter, not a civil one, and the person would be the defendant, not the drugs or the money that bought them.
 
Fawlty said:
Okay but the example of smoking weed in Holland still doesn't make sense to me. Charging with possession would be a criminal matter, not a civil one, and the person would be the defendant, not the drugs or the money that bought them.
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The threads got merged so bare with me we were talking about the U.S. enforcing laws out the U.S.

For example you can be charged for breaking U.S. law in another country even if the act is legal in said country.

Kim dotcom is being charged with crimes he committed outside the usa
 
Rav1nHunter said:
The threads got merged so bare with me we were talking about the U.S. enforcing laws out the U.S.

For example you can be charged for breaking U.S. law in another country even if the act is legal in said country.

Kim dotcom is being charged with crimes he committed outside the usa
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Okay, I get you. I think a pirating empire is too different from smoking in Holland to make any parallels.
 
Fawlty said:
Okay, I get you. I think a pirating empire is too different from smoking in Holland to make any parallels.
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Do you think saudi officials should be able to take American women to court for driving?

Do you think Aussie cop should be able to confiscate Americans guns?
 
Rav1nHunter said:
Do you think saudi officials should be able to take American women to court for driving?

Do you think Aussie cop should be able to confiscate Americans guns?
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Agreements between countries and international law account for those sorts of things. Saudi Arabia can convict Americans of whatever they want, they just can't come and get them, and they will suffer the diplomatic cost.

There isn't a question here whether this guy damaged American companies, and he's trying to angle-shoot copyright laws internationally. It would be foolish to think you can lead a global pirating empire and get away with it. But it would take years to really understand the fine points of all the laws that apply, so I'll be seeing how it plays out.
 
Fawlty said:
Agreements between countries and international law account for those sorts of things. Saudi Arabia can convict Americans of whatever they want, they just can't come and get them, and they will suffer the diplomatic cost.

There isn't a question here whether this guy damaged American companies, and he's trying to angle-shoot copyright laws internationally. It would be foolish to think you can lead a global pirating empire and get away with it. But it would take years to really understand the fine points of all the laws that apply, so I'll be seeing how it plays out.
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haha it was not a "global pirating empire".
 
Rav1nHunter said:
Do you think saudi officials should be able to take American women to court for driving?

Do you think Aussie cop should be able to confiscate Americans guns?
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None of that is relevant. Kim can be charged with violations of American law in America, and treaties between NZ and the US allow that to have teeth for specific types of criminal activity. It's legally similar to major drug traffickers being extradited to the US from other countries for criminal activity that in large part occurs in the US, giving the US jurisdiction over those crimes. (The US still doesn't have jurisdiction over the people until they have been transported, but their countries can agree to exercise their own jurisdiction in cooperation with the US).

That's not the same as a Saudi prosector charging random people in the US with driving while female. The activity did not occur in Saudi Arabia or have a direct effect there, and there isn't an applicable extradition treaty. Hush your fear mongering.
 
This guy is a creepy fat fuck who probably has a lot of child porn on his computer
 
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