"Tainted supplement" - USADA loophole?

[E Undead]

It's an unregulated industry.

That's why real sports like the NFL have their athletes send in samples of all substances they are using to be tested and cleared by the NFL.

The UFC could do this but they are broke and can't afford it.

USADA offers those tests, fighters don't have to pay for it. Same as you said how it's in the NFL.

 

[ClosetVitorFan]

The thing is, stuff that Yoel and Tim Means popped for is widely available and legal. (IBUTAMOREN AND OSTARINE) MEANING its very easy for supplements on the shelf to get contaminated with such substances. I mean stuff that is banned like Dhea you can buy at your local target. If you hated someone like Connor with a passion go ahead and spike his Irish car bomb with some dhea. Very easy and legal to get. He will get 18 months minimum for it. That's why I'm against USADA banning legal and very easily obtainable drugs like Sarms and dhea. That shit can easily be tainted. Things like Tianobol are not easily obtained or legal. (MIRS CASE THAT KANGAROO MEAT LOL)

IT'S NOT A LOOP HOLE IF THE SUBSTANCE YOU POPPED FOR IS LEGAL AND WIDELY USED ON SHELVES. THATS A REAL THING.

 

[Joohnmatrix]

Should be called reasonable doubt

 

[Koro_11]

Yoel popped for ibutamoren which has little to no performance enhancement benefits. USADA independently tested the supplement and confirmed that it was tainted.

Jon Jones' case is totally different as he popped for two drugs commonly used in post cycle therapy

This.

But muppets on here will just look at Yoel's muscles and use their bro science degree to determine he's on roids.

 

[Fergelmince]

There's probably 100's of thousands of supplements available on the American market, let alone internationally. Most supplements probably don't have prohibited substances or more athletes would be testing postive. What BAD LUCK when a fighter gets SO UNLUCKY and happens to pull the one supplement off the shelf that is tainted. DAMN THAT'S UNLUCKY!

 

[El Fernas]

It's an unregulated industry.

That's why real sports like the NFL have their athletes send in samples of all substances they are using to be tested and cleared by the NFL.

The UFC could do this but they are broke and can't afford it.

Wouldnt be USADA the one to do it? I believe they have a list of banned/approved supplements that fighters can check and verify what they are taking, but, we all know they will play the "dumb" card most of the time and ask questions after, not before, just like Cyborg did and she still got an excemption.

 

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[PolishHeadlock]

Wouldnt be USADA the one to do it? I believe they have a list of banned/approved supplements that fighters can check and verify what they are taking, but, we all know they will play the "dumb" card most of the time and ask questions after, not before, just like Cyborg did and she still got an excemption.

Again this is an unregulated industry and just because a substance was clean when you bought it in January doesn't mean it's clean when you buy it in May.

 

[phatron]

It's absolutely a loophole... all a fighter has to do is have a friend start a supplement company that has whatever ped they want to use in it.

it doesn't provide them any advantage....they still get suspended.....

 

[El Fernas]

Again this is an unregulated industry and just because a substance was clean when you bought it in January doesn't mean it's clean when you buy it in May.

Then you would have the perfect tainted supplement example, specially if said supplement was tested clean by USADA before, but going and take a new supplement that has not been tested, then claim its tainted falls right into loophole territory as they didnt get it tested before taking it, nor consult with USADA about it.

 

[FrodoFraggins]

There's a lot of athletes (Mir, Romero etc) popping for drugs and then claiming "tainted supplement". Is this a loophole in USADA? Or is it a real problem in the supplement industry?

it's only a loophole if you specify the lot number and USADA is able to independently buy the product somewhere from the same lot and see if it's tainted. Saying a supplement is tainted isn't enough. Neither is providing your unsealed supplement to them.

 

[muaytao]

Tainted human growth hormone

 

[PolishHeadlock]

Then you would have the perfect tainted supplement example, specially if said supplement was tested clean by USADA before, but going and take a new supplement that has not been tested, then claim its tainted falls right into loophole territory as they didnt get it tested before taking it, nor consult with USADA about it.

I've never heard of them giving a listing of approved substances just that you can send them a sample of supplement to find out if it's dirty.

 

[smiles mma]

The tests are too strict. They do the random tests and if that doesn't catch blatant cheaters they should fuck off. They are popping guys for rediculous traces of stuff after they have passed tests months before.

 

[BBMN]

Is this a loophole in USADA? Or is it a real problem in the supplement industry?

It's a huge problem with supplement companies.

 

[Toad Frogan]

Yoel popped for ibutamoren which has little to no performance enhancement benefits. USADA independently tested the supplement and confirmed that it was tainted.

Jon Jones' case is totally different as he popped for two drugs commonly used in post cycle therapy

You're saying the most powerful oral GH secretagogue has "little to no performance enhancement benefits".

Where did you come up with this? Maybe hearsay from someone who got bunk product.

You could not be more wrong. Taking MK-677/Ibutamoren gives you 12 GH pulses over 24 hours. Compare that with subq injection and you get why the secretagogue has huge benefits. You do not have to pin and the GH gains build on top of each other. Studies have shown that after even 12 months, the GH pulses get bigger. There is zero desensitization.

From Oxford Academic Endocrine Society
https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article-lookup/doi/10.1210/jcem.83.2.4551

Our results show that 25 mg MK-677 given orally for 7 days in healthy male volunteers improved nitrogen balance during dietary caloric restriction, a model for the treatment of a catabolic state. The effect of MK-677 occurred promptly and persisted for the 7 days of treatment. Nitrogen balance was positive after 2 and 7 days of treatment. The magnitude of this increase relative to response after placebo treatment was clinically meaningful, because the subjects averaged a 1.8 g/day improvement in nitrogen balance.

In summary, we observed in this short-term study that oral administration of MK-677 reverses the protein catabolism caused by dietary caloric restriction. These data suggest that MK-677 may be useful as adjunctive therapy in certain catabolic states. The degree of GH stimulation observed appears to be sufficient to improve nitrogen balance under the stress of caloric restriction.

Anyways, the research is out there. This drug has incredible benefits.

 

[myjohnson9]

it doesn't provide them any advantage....they still get suspended.....

1/2 time in most cases and a way to save face to the media

 

[cevo]

it doesn't provide them any advantage....they still get suspended.....

Romero still got suspended yes, but he also kind of got a pass from the MMA community thanks to the whole "tainted" thing. Most people (outside of Sherdog) don't label him a cheater.

 

[dim_]

There's a lot of athletes (Mir, Romero etc) popping for drugs and then claiming "tainted supplement". Is this a loophole in USADA? Or is it a real problem in the supplement industry?

Mir got 2 years, he didnt even try to claim tainted supplement...

The others, they took supplements that even an idiot could have guessed had something dodgy in them.

Yes, the supplement industry in the US especially is an unregulated mess, but its not difficult to find reputable, safe, supplements if you wish... trouble is, a lot of fighters dont wish, they just want the get out clause.

thing is, guys like Romero, they get one strike, he got away with 6 months.

but second offence, usada double the maximum penalty, and he wont get the benefit of the doubt.. test positive again, hes looking at 4 years.

 

[WinZip]

Easiest loophole ever

Find a supplement known to have trace drugs in it there's a fuck ton

Take the real shit

Profit

Except for the part where you have to declare your supplements to USADA, and if you get popped and say you took something that wasn't on your list, your excuse goes out the window. If you do take a supplement known to be dirty, they'll suspend you anyway for taking a dirty supplement intentionally. If it's a supplement that's been passed as clean and then it turns out to have banned substances in it, then you'll get away with it - after a 6+ month suspension.

People are acting like Romero popped for a steroid and made an excuse and got away with it. He proved his case, USADA agreed he took it unknowingly, and then they still suspended him for 6 months but you fuckwits just ignore the facts and keep parroting this bullshit