"Tainted supplement" - USADA loophole?

[Marc A]

Tainted supplements are the least of fighters worries seems that being a top mma athlete leaves you with low levels of manhood

 

[cevo]

Mir got 2 years, he didnt even try to claim tainted supplement...

The others, they took supplements that even an idiot could have guessed had something dodgy in them.

He did consider it:

"Mir said this process with USADA and getting supplements tested to see if they contained banned drugs cost him $30,000."

http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/f...bout-the-company-as-i-felt-years-ago.3519269/

 

[John Wick]

Jon Jones took generic sex pills 2 weeks before the biggest fight of his life.

Righhttttt

 

[dim_]

He did consider it:

"Mir said this process with USADA and getting supplements tested to see if they contained banned drugs cost him $30,000."

http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/frank-mir-i-don’t-feel-the-same-about-the-company-as-i-felt-years-ago.3519269/

Mir also said that in July 2015 when USADA came in he stopped taking supplements and threw them all away, all of them, all hes taken since was vitamins and fish oil, everything else he threw in the bin.

So how did he test supplements he hasnt taken?

Franks story is full of holes, a lot of holes.

 

[dim_]

Except for the part where you have to declare your supplements to USADA, and if you get popped and say you took something that wasn't on your list, your excuse goes out the window. If you do take a supplement known to be dirty, they'll suspend you anyway for taking a dirty supplement intentionally. If it's a supplement that's been passed as clean and then it turns out to have banned substances in it, then you'll get away with it - after a 6+ month suspension.

People are acting like Romero popped for a steroid and made an excuse and got away with it. He proved his case, USADA agreed he took it unknowingly, and then they still suspended him for 6 months but you fuckwits just ignore the facts and keep parroting this bullshit

and like i say, even if people do think he got away with it (to be honest, the supplement he took, Yoel knew damn well it was dodgy), but even if he did, if it happens again, FOUR YEARS, bang, no questions.

So theres always that fallback

 

[DarkneT]

Except for the part where you have to declare your supplements to USADA, and if you get popped and say you took something that wasn't on your list, your excuse goes out the window. If you do take a supplement known to be dirty, they'll suspend you anyway for taking a dirty supplement intentionally. If it's a supplement that's been passed as clean and then it turns out to have banned substances in it, then you'll get away with it - after a 6+ month suspension.

People are acting like Romero popped for a steroid and made an excuse and got away with it. He proved his case, USADA agreed he took it unknowingly, and then they still suspended him for 6 months but you fuckwits just ignore the facts and keep parroting this bullshit

Mhmm it's more of a way to save face to the general public, getting popped in general is all about damage control

 

[dim_]

I've never heard of them giving a listing of approved substances just that you can send them a sample of supplement to find out if it's dirty.

they dont. there is no list of usada approved supplements

but there are independent organisations like http://informed-choice.org that do third party testing and have a massive list of certified supplements.

USADA's line is dont take suppements full stop, although they did post a release the other day that actually named informed-choice so it seems they are loosening their "dont take them at all" approach for a more "if you are going to take them, check with 3rd party testing agencies" view

 

[Klippy]

Those guys take a bunch of supplements for recovery and pre workouts etc. It is not unusual to believe that any of what they intake could be a tainted supplement. I just dunno why they don't talk to a USADA rep before before hand.

Tim Means tainted supp situation was pretty damn interesting.

Means would have to resort to finding the possibly tainted creatine supplement in stores. That was no easy task. “They immediately pulled that product off the shelves,” said Means. Novitzky noticed the move too. Novitzky told Means this was another ‘huge red flag’ and that they simply had to find the product.

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2016/7/2...c-interview-mma-news-usada-tainted-supplement

 

[cobrinski]

No need to discuss,obviously it's a shithole

 

[phatron]

1/2 time in most cases and a way to save face to the media

Jones got the max penalty.

 

[MescalineDreams]

There's a lot of athletes (Mir, Romero etc) popping for drugs and then claiming "tainted supplement". Is this a loophole in USADA? Or is it a real problem in the supplement industry?

huge huge problem In the supplement Industry.

Most people would be utterly shocked at how common this is

 

[MescalineDreams]

Yoel popped for ibutamoren which has little to no performance enhancement benefits. USADA independently tested the supplement and confirmed that it was tainted.

Jon Jones' case is totally different as he popped for two drugs commonly used in post cycle therapy

well actually, they did test the dick pill Jon jones claimed to use and It tested positive for the substances he was popped for.

 

[campbecc]

It's both. Many supplements are tainted but people use it as an excuse.

 

[LiveFreeorDie]

What if someone gets a shitload of supplements tested at a local laboratory, finds out if any are "tainted" and what with, then proceeds to ingest massive amounts of said ingredient always safe in the knowledge his supplement is "tainted" with the same thing....

Tinfoil hat maybe required, but definitely possible.

What if they made their own "tainted" supplement line?? Tinfoil indeed sir.

 

[Supatune]

USADA usually still give them a lengthy ban and the fans mostly see through the BS.

 

[phatron]

Romero still got suspended yes, but he also kind of got a pass from the MMA community thanks to the whole "tainted" thing. Most people (outside of Sherdog) don't label him a cheater.

I really don't see it that way....pretty much comes down to which posts you read and which ones you remember.

seems to me like most people consider yoel and jones users......just like Bisping and DC keep making comments to them, so do people here.

 

[GSPSAKU]

huge huge problem In the supplement Industry.

Most people would be utterly shocked at how common this is

Tainted supplements are much more common than we think since they are not tested nor regulated by the FDA. They are required to label all ingredients and not make any false claims.

But even if a fighter gets popped for PEDs and their supplements come back as tainted, they still get suspended, just a reduced sentence.

 

[Lissove]

It's an unregulated industry.

That's why real sports like the NFL have their athletes send in samples of all substances they are using to be tested and cleared by the NFL.

The UFC could do this but they are broke and can't afford it.

Get out off here bringing up NFL with assumptions they are any clean

 

[Pacemaker Joe]

There's a lot of athletes (Mir, Romero etc) popping for drugs and then claiming "tainted supplement". Is this a loophole in USADA? Or is it a real problem in the supplement industry?

It can be exploited, but USADA isn't stupid. To exploit it, you need to have a supplement that's available in shops that you know is tainted with what you failed for, which USADA hasn't found yet. It also can't list anything banned on the package. It worked for Romero, Means, and Good, because they all were able to provide a list of supplements they used, complete with their open packages. USADA then went out and bought their own, from the same lot number, and tested both the opened and unopened packages. If you can't show a reasonable explanation, you're boned.

Mir blamed tainted supplements, but wasn't able to show that that is what happened, and got 2 years. Same with Brock, who got 1 (the max for clomid). Machida and Mendes both used supplements which were either specifically banned or which listed banned substances, and got 18 months and 2 years respectively. Sullivan listed a supplement with a banned ingredient on multiple occasions, but USADA didn't pick up on it initially due to the lack of an effective test for IGF-1 and possibly a labelling change. He got a long, but backdated suspension. Whether the others who blamed supplements legitimately didn't know, or were gaming it by finding tainted supplements to have an out, who knows.

There absolutely are a lot of tainted or mislabelled supplements out there, so it isn't too hard to believe that a sport with decades of little to no testing would have a lot of guys fail for dumb shit.

 

[Sp@cePeanut]

Find a supplement that has unlisted banned substances and use that supplement as an excuse when I get caught......