Story of the Century: Xanda, son of Cecil the lion, killed by hunters

[klnOmega]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...n-shot-dead-big-game-hunter.html?sf99711099=1

GET READY FOR THE SHITSTORM OF THE CENTURY

Xanda, the son of Cecil the Lion, has been killed by a big game hunter. Because Xanda was off park grounds, and over 6 years old, the hunt was technically legal. The hunter returned the collar that Xanda wore.

RIP CECIL, HARAMBE, XANDA. WHEN WILL THE VIOLENCE END?

 

[*Z*]

Legal is legal. Hunting for sport with no intention of eating the animal is a pretty shitty thing to do though. I've got zero issues with hunting for food.

 

[Stoic1]

Congrats to some fucking piece of shit somewhere. Hope the trophy can continue to boost your self esteem.

 

[floivanus]

Legal is legal. Hunting for sport with no intention of eating the animal is a pretty shitty thing to do though. I've got zero issues with hunting for food.

Typically said rich folks plunk down a wad of hard US/ EU currency ($20,000-$50,000 US is typical) that sustains a local economy and helps create and maintain some sort of animal habitat/reserve that does help give endangered species a chance at survival in the future. Also after whatever 'trophy' is procured from the animal (pictures, pelt, whatever) the meat is given to local villagers (an elephant yields 20,000 meals, don't know what a lion gives) monetizing game hunts in Africa is the only thing keeping locals interested in stopping poachers from doing it and giving nothing back to the community. Poaching, not legal, restricted and regulated hunting, is what dwindled the numbers of animals in the first place.

 

[Deleted member 159002]

People who take pleasure in killing majestic animals have character flaws.

 

[Rematch]

Typically said rich folks plunk down a wad of hard US/ EU currency ($20,000-$50,000 US is typical) that sustains a local economy and helps create and maintain some sort of animal habitat/reserve that does help give endangered species a chance at survival in the future. Also after whatever 'trophy' is procured from the animal (pictures, pelt, whatever) the meat is given to local villagers (an elephant yields 20,000 meals, don't know what a lion gives) monetizing game hunts in Africa is the only thing keeping locals interested in stopping poachers from doing it and giving nothing back to the community. Poaching, not legal, restricted and regulated hunting, is what dwindled the numbers of animals in the first place.

Good points that I was not aware of.

 

[Pwent]

Typically said rich folks plunk down a wad of hard US/ EU currency ($20,000-$50,000 US is typical) that sustains a local economy and helps create and maintain some sort of animal habitat/reserve that does help give endangered species a chance at survival in the future. Also after whatever 'trophy' is procured from the animal (pictures, pelt, whatever) the meat is given to local villagers (an elephant yields 20,000 meals, don't know what a lion gives) monetizing game hunts in Africa is the only thing keeping locals interested in stopping poachers from doing it and giving nothing back to the community. Poaching, not legal, restricted and regulated hunting, is what dwindled the numbers of animals in the first place.

good post, big game trophy hunters are piece of shit human beings, but they do more to sustain the animal populations than all the crybaby people who get up in arms about them

for this story, xanda went off park grounds and where all the wild lions are. idk how the hunter was supposed to know which lion is which

 

[TheGreatA]

Modern technology has taken all the fun out of "big game" hunting.

Now it's pretty much just a controlled execution.

 

[ultramanhyata]

Hopefully Eric and Don Jr. have an alibi for their whereabouts.

 

[ultramanhyata]

People who take pleasure in killing majestic animals have character flaws.

 

[jefferz]

 

[Renard]

Typically said rich folks plunk down a wad of hard US/ EU currency ($20,000-$50,000 US is typical) that sustains a local economy and helps create and maintain some sort of animal habitat/reserve that does help give endangered species a chance at survival in the future. Also after whatever 'trophy' is procured from the animal (pictures, pelt, whatever) the meat is given to local villagers (an elephant yields 20,000 meals, don't know what a lion gives) monetizing game hunts in Africa is the only thing keeping locals interested in stopping poachers from doing it and giving nothing back to the community. Poaching, not legal, restricted and regulated hunting, is what dwindled the numbers of animals in the first place.

No. The reality is that most of the money is siphoned off by corrupt local governments and never make it to animal conservation efforts.

To determine whether or not trophy hunting is living up to its billing as a conservation tool, we conducted comprehensive reviews of the academic literature, conservation programs in the four target countries, and the FWS import permitting program.

In assessing the flow of trophy hunting revenue to conservation efforts, we found many troubling examples of funds either being diverted from their purpose or not being dedicated to conservation in the first place.

Several reports, including one from the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) in 2013, outline the failure of Tanzanian authorities to manage land and wildlife effectively, and show little evidence that trophy hunting is contributing positively to wildlife conservation.

Despite significant support from international NGOs and foreign governments, including the United States, the CAMPFIRE program has been poorly administered and the government has been incapable of delivering the promised improvements in wildlife conservation or community development.

On the whole, though, the evidence shows that trophy hunting is having negative impacts across sub Saharan Africa. According to scientists, unsustainably high rates of trophy hunting have caused population declines in African lions and possibly African leopards.

Freedom House notes that "corruption remains a serious problem, and is pervasive in all aspects of political and commercial life

While trophy hunting industry proponents assert that the presence of hunting operations deters poaching, there is no evidence of such an effect.

 

[hillelslovak87]

Look at how this is obviously not a photo op. Look at how dirty they are. They totally didn't get some guy to shoot the animal from a gold ranger rover, no way.

 

[uptheirons!]

Typically said rich folks plunk down a wad of hard US/ EU currency ($20,000-$50,000 US is typical) that sustains a local economy and helps create and maintain some sort of animal habitat/reserve that does help give endangered species a chance at survival in the future. Also after whatever 'trophy' is procured from the animal (pictures, pelt, whatever) the meat is given to local villagers (an elephant yields 20,000 meals, don't know what a lion gives) monetizing game hunts in Africa is the only thing keeping locals interested in stopping poachers from doing it and giving nothing back to the community. Poaching, not legal, restricted and regulated hunting, is what dwindled the numbers of animals in the first place.

I'm convinced, where do I apply for a license?

 

[floivanus]

No. The reality is that most of the money is siphoned off by corrupt local governments and never make it to animal conservation efforts.

To determine whether or not trophy hunting is living up to its billing as a conservation tool, we conducted comprehensive reviews of the academic literature, conservation programs in the four target countries, and the FWS import permitting program.

In assessing the flow of trophy hunting revenue to conservation efforts, we found many troubling examples of funds either being diverted from their purpose or not being dedicated to conservation in the first place.

Several reports, including one from the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) in 2013, outline the failure of Tanzanian authorities to manage land and wildlife effectively, and show little evidence that trophy hunting is contributing positively to wildlife conservation.

Despite significant support from international NGOs and foreign governments, including the United States, the CAMPFIRE program has been poorly administered and the government has been incapable of delivering the promised improvements in wildlife conservation or community development.

On the whole, though, the evidence shows that trophy hunting is having negative impacts across sub Saharan Africa. According to scientists, unsustainably high rates of trophy hunting have caused population declines in African lions and possibly African leopards.

Freedom House notes that "corruption remains a serious problem, and is pervasive in all aspects of political and commercial life

While trophy hunting industry proponents assert that the presence of hunting operations deters poaching, there is no evidence of such an effect.

This is the problem with any and all ventures involving money, that's why there are oversight committees and everything in place in the west. Money corrupts all.

The study only lists 4 african countries that are 'corrupt' there are tons more countries in africa that have hunting involved for conservation; scores more abroad.
Anytime I see a 'study' that didn't do a comprehensive job on evaluating available data by sampling and excluding I want to know why, many times it's because the data goes against the narrative they want to portray

Your own link

Conclusion

"The United States has proven that well-regulated hunting can help conserve wildlife, even for threatened or endangered populations. However, our past has shown that poorly regulated hunting can decimate wildlife populations and lead to the collapse of ecosystems and the disappearance of hunting opportunities. We have a responsibility to set an example for the rest of the world and make absolutely certain that Americans are not contributing to the decline of species already facing extinction or severe population loss. Hunting is a valuable part of American culture, but as the outrage over the death of Cecil the Lion shows, it will only remain so if hunters verifiably contribute to conservation. "

The issue isn't hunting it's poaching and governments using tax money for un-stated purposes. Just like adding tax to gasoline here in the states to 'work in roadways' but using it for pet-projects and government bailouts instead.

 

[Bloody Pulp]

By the power of Harambe...

 

[Cid]

Typically said rich folks plunk down a wad of hard US/ EU currency ($20,000-$50,000 US is typical) that sustains a local economy and helps create and maintain some sort of animal habitat/reserve that does help give endangered species a chance at survival in the future. Also after whatever 'trophy' is procured from the animal (pictures, pelt, whatever) the meat is given to local villagers (an elephant yields 20,000 meals, don't know what a lion gives) monetizing game hunts in Africa is the only thing keeping locals interested in stopping poachers from doing it and giving nothing back to the community. Poaching, not legal, restricted and regulated hunting, is what dwindled the numbers of animals in the first place.

If we killed every lion in existence WWF would still get 2/3 of the total raised without killing a thing.

One single organization earns more in donations in a year than allowing 2/3 of our lion populations to be killed for hunting in the same year.

People like yourself like to act as though hunters are doing some great thing for animals here and much more for the welfare of animals than all the other non hunting people that complain.

Complete and utter crock of shit. Stop acting like hunting is this massive unmatched source of revenue for the area.

Donations from one charity are bigger than the entire revenue of the big game hunting market in Africa(estimated at $200 mil per year)

 

[floivanus]

If we killed every lion in existence WWF would still get 2/3 of the total raised without killing a thing.

One single organization earns more in donations in a year than allowing 2/3 of our lion populations to be killed for hunting in the same year.

People like yourself like to act as though hunters are doing some great thing for animals here and much more for the welfare of animals than all the other non hunting people that complain.

Complete and utter crock of shit. Stop acting like hunting is this massive unmatched source of revenue for the area.

Donations from one charity are bigger than the entire revenue of the big game hunting market in Africa(estimated at $200 mil per year)

WWF is not without its controversies itself. If I directly pay money to someone, who now makes his living making SURE he has a sustainable future supply of whatever game some rich fool wants to hunt, he will keep that population going to feed his family and his children's children. And if directly paid to the land owner you don't have to deal with government entities and extra hands.

Also, the research isn't all there on hunting BUT many predators (lions are predators, ya know) have evolutionary traits that allow them to mate earlier and more often when they sense culling of their blood-lines. Hence the coyote epidemic in the US right now.

http://m.humanesociety.org/animals/coyotes/tips/against_killing_coyotes.html

And just to let you know, I have looked at both ends of this issue myself, was raised in a hunting rich area, and hated it, was indoctrinated in school to hate it, come full circle. I can, and have argued both ends.

 

[My2Cents]

Hunter should be hunted imo

 

[BruceLeeOnTRT]

Lions are our enemy