So Stupid It's Not Funny: Trump's claims on immigration get fact-checked - and it's embarrassing

[electricfuneral]

Ya and Britney Spears is a platinum selling artist...

I've seen her in vegas. It was depressing.

 

[ProBoxingInsidr]

Like Stewart, I cringe when he does childish voices. And he's much more of a centrist than Stewart, but that likely comes from only being superficially exposed to American politics until recent years.

But, being an immigrant himself, he clearly knows a fuck ton more about immigration than the moron in chief.

i have only unfortunately caught a few clips of him because he is one of the more unlikable people I have ever had the misfortune of seeing speak. However, lol at you referring to him as being more of a "centrist" than anybody

 

[Trotsky]

i have only unfortunately caught a few clips of him because he is one of the more unlikable people I have ever had the misfortune of seeing speak. However, lol at you referring to him as being more of a "centrist" than anybody

...he's objectively more of a centrist than Jon Stewart.

Believe it or not, a person's political placement is not determined by how much he rustles you by making fun of your favorite politicians. There are actual philosophical underpinnings.

 

[Jack V Savage]

...he's objectively more of a centrist than Jon Stewart.

Believe it or not, a person's political placement is not determined by how much he rustles you by making fun of your favorite politicians. There are actual philosophical underpinnings.

What are Stewart's? Guy seems to mock the idea that anyone genuinely cares about policy. The only issue he really appeared to care about was 9/11 first responders.

 

[ProBoxingInsidr]

...he's objectively more of a centrist than Jon Stewart.

Believe it or not, a person's political placement is not determined by how much he rustles you by making fun of your favorite politicians. There are actual philosophical underpinnings.

hmmmm. i have never once heard him say anything that doesnt indicate he is far left. i guess i was wrong. i bet half his shows are him ripping on Democrats. am i right?

 

[Trotsky]

What are Stewart's? Guy seems to mock the idea that anyone genuinely cares about policy. The only issue he really appeared to care about was 9/11 first responders.

He's openly identified as a socialist, championed economic progressive causes, and taken bold stances on US imperialism and against instances of Democratic centrism. Although his scabbing back in the day was abhorrent. Reportedly, if I recall, he's only outflanked by the (supposedly ultra far-left) Colbert, but Colbert has not shown me much on his actual positions.

Meanwhile, Noah, perhaps by virtue of the fact that he's a bit of a political neophyte in this country, seems more routinely dismissive of extra-party movement and more willing to engage in the typical liberal centrist conduct of false equivalence and moral absolutism re protesters, the kind that was (in the opinion of some) the moral and ideological rot of the American liberal during the mid-late 20th century.

I looked this up, and it's fairly on-point.

https://www.pastemagazine.com/artic...show-should-heed-jon-stewarts-advice-and.html

 

[Trotsky]

hmmmm. i have never once heard him say anything that doesnt indicate he is far left. i guess i was wrong. i bet half his shows are him ripping on Democrats. am i right?

Democrats are not far left, friend. In the political framework of the developed world, they are (or have been until this most recent cycle) center-right. Basically the same policies as the UK's Tories without the recent insurrection of bumbling incompetence.

In short, making fun of Republican hypocrisy and speaking lip service to racial and gender equality, et al doesn't make you far left. It just makes you some degree of decent.

 

[HIMBOB]

It's amazing how many people don't realise you can be politically incorrect and quantifiably wrong.

 

[21 Savage]

crazy how seano was a good poster in the boxing section lmao

 

[Andy Capp]

He's openly identified as a socialist, championed economic progressive causes, and taken bold stances on US imperialism and against instances of Democratic centrism. Although his scabbing back in the day was abhorrent. Reportedly, if I recall, he's only outflanked by the (supposedly ultra far-left) Colbert, but Colbert has not shown me much on his actual positions.

Meanwhile, Noah, perhaps by virtue of the fact that he's a bit of a political neophyte in this country, seems more routinely dismissive of extra-party movement and more willing to engage in the typical liberal centrist conduct of false equivalence and moral absolutism re protesters, the kind that was (in the opinion of some) the moral and ideological rot of the American liberal during the mid-late 20th century.

I looked this up, and it's fairly on-point.

https://www.pastemagazine.com/artic...show-should-heed-jon-stewarts-advice-and.html

I'd be interested in hearing you elaborate on this point.

Lots of haters ITT, but I enjoy the show. And I don't agree with the article you linked to. The show may have less impact than under Stewart, but those were big shoes to fill. And it is a comedy. Why are people expecting high art?

 

[Jack V Savage]

He's openly identified as a socialist, championed economic progressive causes, and taken bold stances on US imperialism and against instances of Democratic centrism. Although his scabbing back in the day was abhorrent. Reportedly, if I recall, he's only outflanked by the (supposedly ultra far-left) Colbert, but Colbert has not shown me much on his actual positions.

Meanwhile, Noah, perhaps by virtue of the fact that he's a bit of a political neophyte in this country, seems more routinely dismissive of extra-party movement and more willing to engage in the typical liberal centrist conduct of false equivalence and moral absolutism re protesters, the kind that was (in the opinion of some) the moral and ideological rot of the American liberal during the mid-late 20th century.

I looked this up, and it's fairly on-point.

https://www.pastemagazine.com/artic...show-should-heed-jon-stewarts-advice-and.html

I'm thinking more of the show. Didn't know he identified as a socialist, but I looked it up and saw this:

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sho...wart-clarifies-his-support-for-socialism.html

Doesn't sound like he's a socialist. I also strongly disagree with the idea that Stewart was taking strong moral stands (something claimed in the link). Though he clearly leaned left, he also promoted the idea that stridency was the real enemy and that we should all meet in the middle and not be strongly committed to any position. He regularly spoke in defense of moderation and seemed to think that political disagreements in America were mainly about attitude rather than differing fundamental goals.

I'm not familiar with Noah's views (like the writer of that piece, I stopped watching the show a bit before Stewart left) so I can't compare.

 

[Trotsky]

I'm thinking more of the show. Didn't know he identified as a socialist, but I looked it up and saw this:

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sho...wart-clarifies-his-support-for-socialism.html

Doesn't sound like he's a socialist. I also strongly disagree with the idea that Stewart was taking strong moral stands (something claimed in the link). Though he clearly leaned left, he also promoted the idea that stridency was the real enemy and that we should all meet in the middle and not be strongly committed to any position. He regularly spoke in defense of moderation and seemed to think that political disagreements in America were mainly about attitude than differing fundamental goals.

I'm not familiar with Noah's views (like the writer of that piece, I stopped watching the show a bit before Stewart left) so I can't compare.

Being pragmatic isn't necessarily centrist, nor is moderation in building a consensus necessarily committing a fallacious argument to moderation. You can be a pragmatist and still be a socialist. If you are to believe Noam Chomsky's perspective on the democratic process, it's perfectly logical and moral, if not ideologically ideal.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Being pragmatic isn't necessarily centrist, nor is moderation in building a consensus necessarily committing a fallacious argument to moderation. You can be a pragmatist and still be a socialist. If you are to believe Noam Chomsky's perspective on the democratic process, it's perfectly logical and moral, if not ideologically ideal.

OK, this is all theoretical so fine. But Stewart specifically was committed to moderation in an ideological way. Like most of the media, he saw it as good for its own sake rather than a means to an end.

 

[computer fogie]

Modern immigration policies that will eventually lead to a white minority is the status quo, my friend.

So this is your real fear, that you think white people won't be in the majority someday?

 

[Trotsky]

So this is your real fear, that you think white people won't be in the majority someday?

 

[Rational Poster]

Modern immigration policies that will eventually lead to a white minority is the status quo, my friend.

Immigration quotas were set by Bush Sr. and haven't change since. We only allow up to 1 million immigrants into the country per year. Many of them are also white.

1 million immigrants is 0.004% of the white population per year. (232 million)

You're being quite dramatic.

 

[alexdlrg]

Immigration quotas were set by Bush Sr. and haven't change since. We only allow up to 1 million immigrants into the country per year. Many of them are also white.

1 million immigrants is 0.004% of the white population per year. (232 million)

You're being quite dramatic.

Rational Poster isn't too good with percentages I see.