Shadow of War developer dies & WB Games intends on profiting from his death.

[Turtlejuice]

I included my reasoning in the post before I deleted it because the formatting got messed up. The fact is that the fine print is, indeed, very fine. Here's the screen where it's shown. What reason would you come up with for why it's so small compared to the other text?

As for the TS, the only fact he missed was the reason for why only $3.50 is going to the family. Everything else is correct. You might disagree with his conclusion, but, again, can you come up with a better explanation for why the print in the video is so small?

I can read that just fine. Small print is small, that's why it's called small print. The DLC video is also not point of sales, so why the small print on a video is small, is irrelevant.

What facts are presented in the OP that demonstrate WB intend to profit from the death of an employee?

 

[Swing]

I can read that just fine. Small print is small, that's why it's called small print. The DLC video is also not point of sales, so why the small print on a video is small, is irrelevant.

What facts are presented in the OP that demonstrate WB intend to profit from the death of an employee?

Are you telling me that the point of that section of the video isn't to make people aware that they can donate to Forgey's family by purchasing DLC, thereby encouraging them to spend money on it? Because that's the only way it would be irrelevant. And, in addition to that, are you suggesting the small print isn't small to distract from how everyone's DLC purchase won't actually go to the family? That's utterly nonsensical.

The small print in that video is a fact that suggests WB intended to profit from the death of an employee. Is it concrete proof? No. Am I speculating? Yes. But I'm not speculating absent fact. Just as I'm not speculating absent fact when I'll show up for work on Tuesday because nobody has called to tell me that work got cancelled.

 

[Turtlejuice]

Are you telling me that the point of that section of the video isn't to make people aware that they can donate to Forgey's family by purchasing DLC, thereby encouraging them to spend money on it? Because that's the only way it would be irrelevant. And, in addition to that, are you suggesting the small print isn't small to distract from how everyone's DLC purchase won't actually go to the family? That's utterly nonsensical.

The small print in that video is a fact that suggests WB intended to profit from the death of an employee. Is it concrete proof? No. Am I speculating? Yes. But I'm not speculating absent fact. Just as I'm not speculating absent fact when I'll show up for work on Tuesday because nobody has called to tell me that work got cancelled.

They're not even remotely the same thing. If your boss sent you a text saying not to show up to work because they were closed, and you didn't read it so you show up expecting it to be open, then wrote a letter slating your company for not being open. That would be the same thing. You are speculating absent fact, because you have no facts demonstrating that WB intend on profiting from the death of an employee.

A fact doesn't suggest something. A fact proves something definitively. You've assumed based on that information that that is their intention.

It's irrelevant because it's not P.O.S. Like I said before, if they claim that the money is going to charity on their P.O.S, and it's not, they'd be done for fraud. And because it states clearly what the situation is. If you buy something without reading the details of what you're buying when they're presented clearly, that's your fault. It's not like it was hidden inside 8 pages of Terms and Conditions, it was immediately below the main body of text.

 

[Swing]

They're not even remotely the same thing. If your boss sent you a text saying not to show up to work because they were closed, and you didn't read it so you show up expecting it to be open, then wrote a letter slating your company for not being open. That would be the same thing. You are speculating absent fact, because you have no facts demonstrating that WB intend on profiting from the death of an employee.

A fact doesn't suggest something. A fact proves something definitively. You've assumed based on that information that that is their intention.

It's irrelevant because it's not P.O.S. Like I said before, if they claim that the money is going to charity on their P.O.S, and it's not, they'd be done for fraud. And because it states clearly what the situation is. If you buy something without reading the details of what you're buying when they're presented clearly, that's your fault. It's not like it was hidden inside 8 pages of Terms and Conditions, it was immediately below the main body of text.

Oh for Pete's sake. http://www.encyclopedia.com/social-sciences-and-law/law/law/circumstantial-evidence

Jurisprudence defines evidence as any written or oral testimony given under-oath, including documents, records, or physical objects admissible in a court of law, according to established rules of evidence, either to prove or disprove the authenticity of alleged facts, claims, or accusations. Circumstantial evidence is indirect information or secondary facts that allow the reasonable inference of the principal fact, without actually proving that such inference is true.

Facts obviously suggest things, but that obviously doesn't mean that all things that facts suggest are facts themselves.

Regarding your last paragraph, there are people who have already admitted that they thought their purchase would have directly benefited the family. I'm arguing that WB knew this would happen and promoted the idea because they realized some people wouldn't read the fine print. That those people are responsible for not reading the fine print is beside the point. I don't much care that they should have read it; I don't like it when people are taken advantage of regardless of whether or not they're responsible for allowing it to happen.

 

[Swing]

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Fact: this guy is sitting on a bench.

One of the things this fact suggests: he's waiting for a bus.

 

[Bob Gray]

It's already been pointed out a few times. The issue is that without the fuss that got made over this, a lot of people would have thought they were donating to his family even though they wouldn't have been. That bothers some people.

Have you seen the payment option on steam? You literally cannot miss the notification.

 

[Swing]

Have you seen the payment option on steam? You literally cannot miss the notification.

I haven't, but I'm glad that's the case. Also, I'm not arguing this is still a problem. The last page has simply been me explaining why I came to the conclusion I did based on what was presented in Total Biscuit's video.

 

[Bob Gray]

I haven't, but I'm glad that's the case. Also, I'm not arguing this is still a problem. The last page has simply been me explaining why I came to the conclusion I did based on what was presented in Total Biscuit's video.

Thats fine, but I would say going by a youtube vid probably isnt the best way to reach an informed conclusion. You'll wind up sounding like @GearSolidMetal .

 

[Swing]

Thats fine, but I would say going by a youtube vid probably isnt the best way to reach an informed conclusion. You'll wind up sounding like @GearSolidMetal .

It wasn't the only place I checked, and it's not like his video didn't source the information that lead to his concerns. Total Biscuit also checked all the press releases from publications like Eurogamer. And you yourself didn't mention the Steam page until a full day after all this started.

If someone had brought that up sooner, all of this would have been squashed on arrival (at least so long as it was up in time).

 

[Bob Gray]

It wasn't the only place I checked, and it's not like his video didn't source the information that lead to his concerns. Total Biscuit also checked all the press releases from publications like Eurogamer. And you yourself didn't mention the Steam page until a full day after all this started.

If someone had brought that up sooner, all of this would have been squashed on arrival (at least so long as it was up in time).

Im not sure what point youre arguing now. The information is on full display and easily seen by anyone attempting to purchase it. I didnt mention it because I didn't check. But then again, I didn't go attacking them for something they apparently didn't do.

What places did you check? Places other than where you actually purchase it? Whats the point of that?

Like seriously, when did Total fucking biscuit become Woodward and Bernstein?

But at any rate, seems you're saying the matter is squashed, so I can respect that. Most people pull a @GearSolidMetal and just try to avoid it completely.

 

[HairdewX]

Seems like people just like to get angry at things.

Apparently the family, his friends, and co-workers are all OK with this.

I know some of these regulations regarding giving money intimately - there are laws and regulations that exist that people don't realize yet still get angry about. I know they don't really care about that, though, because if they did they would have already researched them.

That's all I have to say on this.

 

[Swing]

Im not sure what point youre arguing now. The information is on full display and easily seen by anyone attempting to purchase it. I didnt mention it because I didn't check. But then again, I didn't go attacking them for something they apparently didn't do.

What places did you check? Places other than where you actually purchase it? Whats the point of that?

Like seriously, when did Total fucking biscuit become Woodward and Bernstein?

But at any rate, seems you're saying the matter is squashed, so I can respect that. Most people pull a @GearSolidMetal and just try to avoid it completely.

You're right and that's fair. I guess I just don't think Youtube is such a bad a source for gaming news. I'm not actually that fond of Total Biscuit in a lot of instances, but he actually has dug up some good stuff in the past.

For instance, he brought G2A's shady business practices to Gearbox's attention when they partnered for that recent re-release of Bulletstorm. It actually ended up with those two parties ending their partnership. Still, no excuse not to think to check something like Steam in regard to this story.

 

[Turtlejuice]

Oh for Pete's sake. http://www.encyclopedia.com/social-sciences-and-law/law/law/circumstantial-evidence



Facts obviously suggest things, but that obviously doesn't mean that all things that facts suggest are facts themselves.

Regarding your last paragraph, there are people who have already admitted that they thought their purchase would have directly benefited the family. I'm arguing that WB knew this would happen and promoted the idea because they realized some people wouldn't read the fine print. That those people are responsible for not reading the fine print is beside the point. I don't much care that they should have read it; I don't like it when people are taken advantage of regardless of whether or not they're responsible for allowing it to happen.

Circumstantial evidence doesn't protect you from libel in most cases, unless you can demonstrate that you've done your due diligence and that due diligence has led you to believe that what you're saying is true.

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Fact: this guy is sitting on a bench.

One of the things this fact suggests: he's waiting for a bus.

You can suggest he is waiting for a bus, that's not accusing him of a crime or harmful to his reputation. If you were to say that he's sitting on a bench, therefore he must be resting after raping someone, then you're drawing a conclusion absent fact, and open to libel. Saying someone is intending to profit from someones death, and being fraudulent, is both accusing them of a crime and harmful to their reputation.

If you were to go to court and say "He's sitting on a bench, he must be waiting for a bus" it would be dismissed as speculation as there's no facts that show he's waiting for a bus. There's not even circumstantial evidence. You're speculating that he's waiting for a bus without any fact that show he is waiting for a bus. So saying he's waiting for a bus is absent fact.

 

[Capt Lunatic]

Honestly, who's going out of their way to buy this DLC to help the family? Who are these mythical, discerning customers of WB Games? 95% of people who buy this shit game would get it anyway.You buy this game you're looking at $100 bucks minimum with it's DLCs and MTs. Who's fucking like "I'm on the fence about this $5....oh wait it goes to someone I've never heard of's family?! Count me in!"

Hate WB all you want, I certainly do, but fuck off for whinging on about this.

 

[loyalyolayal]

Martin Short?

 

[Wariowokecancel]

Fucking cynical bastards.

85% of the money will come in from the US and will got to the dudes family.

As a lawyer with some tax experience I know that dealing with the dlc money from abroad would be an utter nightmare as relates to charitable donations and tax. Which includes fucking VAT (sales tax but 100 more complicated) on charity. And the hassle would be on the family. Instead simple solution is to give them the vast majority of the money- which I'm sure they appreciate. Any left over makes up for the time and resources spent on development/support and roll out.

You fucking know nothing cynical bastards.

 

[Winter-John]

Total Biscuit always sounds like the batteries in his dildo just died

 

[Fury]

I like that it's always assumed we are needed. I like to assume total stranger's friends and family will look out for them.

I also assume the company will try to make a profit and any money going to the family is always nice. Pretty sure if I died my wife would get life insurance and maybe whatever is in my employment contract if I died traveling for business. Maybe my coworkers do something or collect but they aren't releasing a new product and donating proceeds. They will also continue to use my work and anything I have made to profit.

 

[empsim]

they could have put the character in the game as standard and the family would have got nothing. or just done nothing at all. its obviously not ideal that it doesnt work in other countries, but its better than nothing. should still be quite a lot of money.

not buying this gargabe game with micro transactions in singleplayer though

 

[Scerpi]

Yeah... this seems to be more needless outrage to me. If you want to get outraged, try looking how the Red Cross manages to waste 25% of all the money donated to them. From the Haitian disaster, that's $125 million.

WB is already backtracking saying they don't plan to profit from any of the DLC sales, regardless of the location.

Not sure what that means, maybe they're planning on donating anything that's left after expenses to a cancer charity.

My dad died fairly young too from cancer. I'd be super excited to have him immortalized as a badass orc slayer.

Though, I'd think he would have preferred a cool Star Trek villain. He loved New Generation with Patrick Stewart.

EDIT - Also, more egregious is WB's plan to use micro-transactions in a single player game, which all but assures me that I will not be playing the new Shadow of War game, even when it inevitably comes out for free on Games for Gold.... which ironically is how I played the first one and fucking loved it.