Q: If Fedor is the GOAT

[Codpiece]

That's it

Fedor vs Anderson vs GSP vs Jones

Fatal four way elimination chamber match.

DC special guest referee.

Let's settle this GOAT talk once and for all.

Can we have Genki Sudo as ref instead, Tito as the announcer/post fight interviewer and maybe Bruce Buffer, Ariel Helwani and Edmund as the judges?

I think that’s entertainment right there.

 

[FrontNakedChoke]

Can we have Genki Sudo as ref instead, Tito as the announcer/post fight interviewer and maybe Bruce Buffer, Ariel Helwani and Edmund as the judges?

I think that’s entertainment right there.

Sold.

 

[QcChopper]

At HW, everyone practices wrestling and are decent at best. No one worth anything legitimately practices BJJ.

Ever heard of Fabricio Werdum? He's kind of a new and obscure HW but he is pretty good at BJJ.

 

[AnotherOldGuy]

The premise is that Fedor was the GOAT and his decline was due solely to age and wear and tear and nothing to do with the evolution of MMA.

In fact most Fedor GOAT advocates refuse to acknowledge any evolution in the sport and will happily educate you in that the pinnacle of the sport was in Pride.

So my question is:

If Fedor had the blue print why does everyone today practice wrestling and BJJ rather than Sambo and Judo?? And then how can you say the sport hasnt past him??

Gretzky, Samprass, Roy Jones Jr, Shaq (and 95% of Olympic gold medal winners) started declining at the same age Fedor started declining. If Fedor was exposed, presumably all of them were exposed too? Hockey, tennis, boxing and basketball evolved and left those one time superstars behind?

Or maybe different athletes start to decline at different ages (and Fedor's in the most common age range for decline).

Beyond that, comparison is generally done against the best of your day. Every second year university physics student today can solve problems that Isaac Newton couldn't even have gotten started on (anything to do with electromagnitism and quantum mechanics for example). And yet Newton is considered to be one of the two greatest physicists of all times (the other being Einstein). Why? Because its what you do relative to your time, not what you can do absolutely that is usually considered when discussing all time greats.

 

[faustian]

Jones would take him out in the first round... and that's prime vs. prime.

 

[PancraseForever]

The premise is that Fedor was the GOAT and his decline was due solely to age and wear and tear and nothing to do with the evolution of MMA.

In fact most Fedor GOAT advocates refuse to acknowledge any evolution in the sport and will happily educate you in that the pinnacle of the sport was in Pride.

So my question is:

If Fedor had the blue print why does everyone today practice wrestling and BJJ rather than Sambo and Judo?? And then how can you say the sport hasnt past him??

Fedor's decline is because he left Russian Top Team. 2005 as his prime is cuck bullshit he was just relying on already amassed skills and athleticism.

He left RTT for the JOKE team known as Red Devil. Not even an amateur level camp.

 

[jeremyemilio]

The premise is that Fedor was the GOAT and his decline was due solely to age and wear and tear and nothing to do with the evolution of MMA.

In fact most Fedor GOAT advocates refuse to acknowledge any evolution in the sport and will happily educate you in that the pinnacle of the sport was in Pride.

So my question is:

If Fedor had the blue print why does everyone today practice wrestling and BJJ rather than Sambo and Judo?? And then how can you say the sport hasnt past him??

It's not all about having a "blueprint" (although fighting styles and techniques are important).

It's not like he was great simply because he was a Sambo practitioner. He was the best Sambo practitioner in the world. For the same reasons that he was the best fighter in the world: Fedor was much faster, more explosive and powerful, and generally even stronger than his opponents.

Once those things no longer held true, he became much more vulnerable.

 

[faustian]

WTF are you talking about? He never failed any drug test until USADA.. Nothing. He went 16-0 essentially with all passed drug tests. USADA came later and the trouble began for Jones..

Fedor did not even pass the same tests as Jones during his prime dude. He passed nothing. Jones was using and so were a lot of people USADA changed that. Fedor never dealt with USADA. Still isn't.. Off the bat Jones beat Vitor who was taking enough TRT at the time to choke an Elephant.. Sonnen was a walking PED experiment..

Not this shit again. Fedor consistently passed WADA testing throughout his tenure in Pride. Look shit up before speaking on it

 

[tramendous]

Fedor and his team, just like the rest of the planet, knew that Reem was juiced. They 100% knew that if they insisted on drug testing the fight would never take place, which was their goal. If you believe Fedor fans he was clean his entire career, yet had absolutely zero problem fighting one roid head after the other in Pride. I guess Reem was a different story.

Yet another amazing fight that everyone was trying to make happen, that Fedor and his team deprived the fans of. Just like Brock vs Fedor or Fedor vs anyone in the UFC.

how could fedor demand steroid tests if PRIDE the organization he was under contract with allowed them? Since Overeem obviously was juiced and cheating under the rules of the organization, they were right to demand a test. Fedor and his team were more than willing to fight Brock. They just didn't want to be prisoner to a UFC contract like UFC champs are. It was the UFC who is unwilling to co-promote to make big fights happen after Chuck was sent to PRIDE, promised to win the grand prix and then got destroyed by Rampage.

 

[Franklin U.]

Right now as far as MMA being " mainstream " --- there is no GOAT. It's all subjective due to the still "infancy " of it being a mainstream sport that we actually get to watch on a popular cable t.v station.
As the years go by, these questions will have obvious answers.If the whole " j.jones tainted supplement / steroids thing " wasn't an issue then he'd be the closest thing to goat at this stage of sport of where it is now and where it's heading.

 

[orca]

Got ktfo by a mw. An old mw that is past his prime and is fighting for a very long time

 

[RiotWyatt]

Ever heard of Fabricio Werdum? He's kind of a new and obscure HW but he is pretty good at BJJ.

Yup. 41 years new.

 

[RiotWyatt]

Got ktfo by a mw. An old mw that is past his prime and is fighting for a very long time

That same MW would’ve KTFO Stefan Struve.

 

[orca]

That same MW would’ve KTFO Stefan Struve.

struve is 7 ft tall. By ur logic hunt and hendo posses the same ko power? Mark hunt's stand up is like 3 times better than hendo so no

 

[Make Sherdog Great Again]

how could fedor demand steroid tests if PRIDE the organization he was under contract with allowed them?

Obviously he couldn't, I don't know why this is even a question.

Since Overeem obviously was juiced and cheating under the rules of the organization, they were right to demand a test.

They can ask for a test all they want. The point is Fedor never had a problem fighting roided fighters for his entire career, until it came time to face Reem.

Fedor and his team were more than willing to fight Brock. They just didn't want to be prisoner to a UFC contract like UFC champs are.

No they weren't more than willing, or they would have got the job done. No one is a "prisoner" in the UFC. That's a ridiculous notion.

It was the UFC who is unwilling to co-promote to make big fights happen after Chuck was sent to PRIDE, promised to win the grand prix and then got destroyed by Rampage.

Why would a billion dollar organisation co-promote with an unknown bush league? Should Bill Gates and Microsoft co-promote with Jim's Computer Store? It was a 100% completely ridiculous stipulation, and for that stipulation the blame falls entirely on Fedor and his management.

 

[RiotWyatt]

struve is 7 ft tall. By ur logic hunt and hendo posses the same ko power? Mark hunt's stand up is like 3 times better than hendo so no

Hendo has KOd two people that Hunt couldn’t. Not saying he’s as powerful or as good a striker but at least comparable. He has ridiculous power for someone his size.

 

[tramendous]

Obviously he couldn't, I don't know why this is even a question.

They can ask for a test all they want. The point is Fedor never had a problem fighting roided fighters for his entire career, until it came time to face Reem.

Youre not following here. Fedor fought people who were roiding when he was in an org where it was allowed. Obviously he couldnt get them to do roid tests. Then he competed in an org where it was against the rules and he wanted to make sure reem was following the rules. He wasn't.

No they weren't more than willing, or they would have got the job done. No one is a "prisoner" in the UFC. That's a ridiculous notion.

Youre definitely a prisoner if you become champ with their champion clause. They asked for a non title 1 fight deal. UFC said no.

Why would a billion dollar organisation co-promote with an unknown bush league? Should Bill Gates and Microsoft co-promote with Jim's Computer Store? It was a 100% completely ridiculous stipulation, and for that stipulation the blame falls entirely on Fedor and his management.

Dont be ridiculous. This is combat sports. Everyone co promotes except for UFC. Dana just didnt want Fedor to walk off into the sunset after beating up their 5 fight hype job that was lesnar.

 

[Mysterio]

lol the guy started declining when he was 32.

That's unheard of in MMA.... unless you came from Pride.

 

[Make Sherdog Great Again]

Youre not following here. Fedor fought people who were roiding when he was in an org where it was allowed. Obviously he couldnt get them to do roid tests. Then he competed in an org where it was against the rules and he wanted to make sure reem was following the rules. He wasn't.

No I'm following all too well. You need to get your head around the fact that Fedor spent his entire career having absolutely zero issue fighting people on steroids. Yet there was one single exception - Overeem. If you think this exception was simply because he wanted Reem to abide by the rules then I've got a bridge to sell you.

Youre definitely a prisoner if you become champ with their champion clause.

So if you're a champion when your contract expires you immediately get a 3 fight extension to your contract. Not exactly the terms of death row is it.

They asked for a non title 1 fight deal. UFC said no.

Of course they did. Agreeing to such a retarded stipulation would be a horrible business decision.

Dont be ridiculous. This is combat sports. Everyone co promotes except for UFC. Dana just didnt want Fedor to walk off into the sunset after beating up their 5 fight hype job that was lesnar.

Yeah, bush leagues co-promote with bush leagues. Billion dollar companies don't co-promote with unknown nickel and dime entities though.

Only an absolute fool would agree to risk the legitmacy of their HW division for a one fight immediate title shot deal.

Your ability to grasp business logic is abysmal. Instead you choose to believe HERP DERP DANA WAS SKEEERED!

Ridiculous.

 

[strongstylekarate]

The premise is that Fedor was the GOAT and his decline was due solely to age and wear and tear and nothing to do with the evolution of MMA.

In fact most Fedor GOAT advocates refuse to acknowledge any evolution in the sport and will happily educate you in that the pinnacle of the sport was in Pride.

So my question is:

If Fedor had the blue print why does everyone today practice wrestling and BJJ rather than Sambo and Judo?? And then how can you say the sport hasnt past him??

Because Sambo is not that "commercialize" compared to BJJ in most western and Asian countries.

While most Judo school especialize more on Katame-Waza (grappling) more than Newaza (ground techniques).