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You claimed that that without vaccination polio would return, but that is false... all the diagnoses of polio eliminated by the diagnostic change will NEVER come back, that is my point. Calling this a "red herring" and then moving the goal posts by referencing other countries' polio rates seems like poor attempt at diversion.
It may be that the polio vaccine was very effective world wide, and I would even assume it was (although I would be interested in better understanding other factors, including the possibility that these countries simply adopted new criteria as the US did). However, the US is not "world wide" and the FACT is that in the US the decrease in polio incidence is DIRECTLY tied to diagnostic changes (not to mention a few other factors other than the vaccine).
Your assertion that there is "clearly obvious effectiveness of the polio vaccine," is false when it comes to the US.
And this is the problem with many "pro vaxxers" you refuse to incorporate relevant data unless it fits your narrative. I mean this is so basic... we need to know how effective the vaccine is, (i.e. how many less people come down with the disease after vaccination) in order to make a rational, informed decision.
I have proven sufficiently that this information is not readily available nor sufficiently considered, and your response is to bury your head in the sand and re-state tired propaganda. What is funny/sad, is that our ability to track reduction of disease, as flawed as it is, is still far and beyond our ability to capture adverse events, which is testament to the sad state of our current vaccine program.
But don't let that stop you from claiming "safe and effective!" Just please don't claim to be "pro science," as you are actively rejecting the most basic of scientific inquiries.
So to sum up... you conceded the fact that the polio vaccine was effective world wide.... but at the same time claim that the same vaccine was not effective in the US.
If it was effective world wide... that means it is effective PERIOD.
I'll say it again... as long a there is a single child in the world with polio, all children in all countries are at risk for getting the disease. That's the reason we all share the small risk involved with the vaccine.
If everyone had the same mentality as you anti-vaxers... nobody in the US would be vaccinated, meaning there would be no herd immunity that you anti-vaxers enjoy the benefits of... and it would only take a single infected kid to be imported from another country to cause an epidemic in the US... that's what I was talking about
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