(OPINION) Francis Ngannou owes the UFC and Dana white for his successes.

[Sean_wongster_wongmastter]

You redefined exploitation to mean something other than what the law considers it (by your definition, the law wouldn't have much to say about exploitation unless the conditions were a form of slavery).

Stop being stupid.

There is no law called “exploitation” at least not in capitalist USA.

Slavery also doesn’t exist in forms. Slavery is the ownership of human as property, period. Exploitation is contracts entered into as a result of force, fraud by deceit, or other illegal means.

Exploitation isn’t a “legal” word. It’s something made up by socialists/liberals to act like it’s possible for people to be exploited in contracts of free will, it’s not, it’s communist propaganda/European socialist propaganda.

Bunch of Marxist bs with their exploitation of labor crap. Those who hold the means of production should yield most of the production, not the labor.

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

Francis Ngannou needs to eat some humble pie, he’s acting like he did everything on his own without anyone helping him.

If Francis started out in boxing or if he was in bellator or PFL instead of the UFC, he’d go nowhere.

He got the Tyson fight because he was the “UFC Champion” not because he was a champion of another organization.

Did Francis gain his success by winning and performing? Absolutely. But he did not do it himself, he did it with the UFC’s promotion and name value. Instead of trashing Dana White and the UFC, he should show some class and thank them for the opportunity.

I hope Francis doesn’t become a diva, and remember that he didn’t do it all himself. UFC made him famous.

I think there's some truth to the idea that the UFC helped him, but I think you draw the wrong conclusion from it. Like McGregor, Ngannou realized that sometimes the UFC is better used as a stepping stone to get a money fights or fights in boxing. He put on some great fights for them, and both he and the UFC profited from that. But they were also clearly an obstacle to higher goals he had, and that's a crappy habit the UFC has had over the years.

The UFC, while it was a great platform for him, actively tried to hold him back from earning more elsewhere. It's easy to see how the UFC burnt a lot of bridges behaving that way, destroying any good will Ngannou might have felt for them.

 

[StonedLemur]

What if I just JO to the music, without the Dana pics? Is that acceptable?

No, it has to be dead silent and absolutely dark...no clothes on, no lotion lol.

 

[StonedLemur]

seems pretty obvious to me that UFC was just holding him back, especially the last few years or so

His last title defense he got paid 500k, a gross underpayment if you ask me sir.

 

[StonedLemur]

There is no law called “exploitation” at least not in capitalist USA.

Slavery also doesn’t exist in forms. Slavery is the ownership of human as property, period. Exploitation is contracts entered into as a result of force, fraud by deceit, or other illegal means.

Exploitation isn’t a “legal” word. It’s something made up by socialists/liberals to act like it’s possible for people to be exploited in contracts of free will, it’s not, it’s communist propaganda/European socialist propaganda.

Bunch of Marxist bs with their exploitation of labor crap. Those who hold the means of production should yield most of the production, not the labor.

Exploitation isn't a legal word?
What about child exploitation, that's not a legal term?

Do you even think about the shit you say sir?

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

I consider myself always indebted to my parents to raising me and I owe them.

My parents birthed me without my consent. After that poor decision, they were obligated to raise me. They're owed nothing

 

[don't ask]

There is no law called “exploitation” at least not in capitalist USA.

Slavery also doesn’t exist in forms. Slavery is the ownership of human as property, period. Exploitation is contracts entered into as a result of force, fraud by deceit, or other illegal means.

Exploitation isn’t a “legal” word. It’s something made up by socialists/liberals to act like it’s possible for people to be exploited in contracts of free will, it’s not, it’s communist propaganda/European socialist propaganda.

Bunch of Marxist bs with their exploitation of labor crap. Those who hold the means of production should yield most of the production, not the labor.

Holy shit. okay, I'm tapping out. I can only take so much ignorance from one person.

 

[pinero]

You have slave mentality.

 

[StonedLemur]

Dana is the guy who said “this isn’t a career , it’s an opportunity” , ok , so ufc isn’t a career , just like the man said , they don’t owe the fighters a “ career” , so what’s the problem Francis took the opportunity and then he walked the second he could for more money , loyalty goes both ways

This is the post of an intelligent man sir.

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

you sound like a socialist or a communist with your ufc exploits fighters talk.

UFC doesn’t exploit anything, these are grown adults entering into contracts through their own free will.

Ok, so let's use your logic. There's no such thing as exploiting adults for work (obviously a bullshit statement only imagined by children). That is because every work is a fair and understood exchange. An employee gets a fair amount from their employer just the same as an employer gets a fair amount from their employee, meaning the employer deserves no more than what they already got. They got a fighter who fought for them, they got fights out of it, they got tickets, ratings, and PPV buys, and all the money and attention that they already paid for by giving Francis what was contracted, so no one owes anything

 

[JustforBROCK]

Cope.

 

[Lee_]

He doesn't owe jackshit to them. You probably want ufc to own his likeness in everything and get a percentage of royalties. A company that already pays peanuts to fighters doesn't deserve to further mine off a fighters success

It's probably true that UFC is paying some shills to post here

I wouldn't be surprised at all if Dana himself were here.

Fuck you Dana.

 

[Bowel-forged Stool]

No, it has to be dead silent and absolutely dark...no clothes on, no lotion lol.

 

[Lee_]

you sound like a socialist or a communist with your ufc exploits fighters talk.

UFC doesn’t exploit anything, these are grown adults entering into contracts through their own free will.

Unfortunately, right now a very American and capitalist system of laws is saying otherwise; you are stating a common Sherdog misconception here. Business practices that are manipulative and that take advantage of having a monopolistic hold on the market are illegal. That is a fact, and a judge moved the motion for a class action lawsuit based on his evaluation that the UFC practices were just that, coercive and illegal.

I know it feels good to call everything you don't like the great Satan of socialism, but the problem is, most don't even know what that means.

 

[greatmuta]

 

[CieloLuce]

Looks to me that Big Frank grabbed and created a opportunity to get out.

Because that's what the UFC is a opportunity.

Defending a guy like Dana White is crazy my guy, especially a dude who is petty and has ruined some fights for us fans.

I won't insult you dude, I get where you are coming from.

 

[Sean_wongster_wongmastter]

Ok, so let's use your logic. There's no such thing as exploiting adults for work (obviously a bullshit statement only imagined by children). That is because every work is a fair and understood exchange. An employee gets a fair amount from their employer just the same as an employer gets a fair amount from their employee, meaning the employer deserves no more than what they already got. They got a fighter who fought for them, they got fights out of it, they got tickets, ratings, and PPV buys, and all the money and attention that they already paid for by giving Francis what was contracted, so no one owes anything

Huh, this “owe” is the same as how I owe my parents for raising me. It’s a sense of indebtedness that comes out of a moral duty, I’m not arguing for Francis to pay the UFC.

If someone saved my life, I don’t owe them anything financially or legally, but I will always owe them and be indebted to them forever.

Francis owes the UFC at the very least a thank you for what they did for him.

 

[Sean_wongster_wongmastter]

Unfortunately, right now a very American and capitalist system of laws is saying otherwise; you are stating a common Sherdog misconception here. Business practices that are manipulative and that take advantage of having a monopolistic hold on the market are illegal. That is a fact, and a judge moved the motion for a class action lawsuit based on his evaluation that the UFC practices were just that, coercive and illegal.

I know it feels good to call everything you don't like the great Satan of socialism, but the problem is, most don't even know what that means.

First off, the class action hasn’t been decided at all. Secondly, Ngannou’s contract doesn’t even fall under the terms of the prior contract practices that started the antitrust.

Thirdly, as a personal matter I have no issues with monopolies over things that aren’t a necessity to life. This isn’t something like water, electricity, or shelter. No one has to fight. If fighter pay is shitty enough, ufc won’t have enough fighters and they’ll have to pay more. The fact is, fighting isn’t that valuable and lots of people can and are willing to do it for less, and that’s on them.

I very much believe in a strong eating the weak type of world and society.

 

[Mmmmmmma1234]

Only in the backwards ass UFC fan(shill)

Promotion is like 99% admin, and 1% making comments to the media about how awesome a fight is.

You should absolutely brain dead. The admin work is so easy a child could do it.

 

[Sean_wongster_wongmastter]

Only in the backwards ass UFC fan(shill)

You should absolutely brain dead. The admin work is so easy a child could do it.

Yes, it’s children that managed to get MMA legalized in 50 states, draft contracts, manage a roster of 600 fighters, handle the pay, accounting, medical, scheduling logistics, and numerous other things.

There are far simpler business models than the UFC that exist which people spend over 6 years studying to run efficiently and still suck and fail at after getting an MBA.

The logistics of structuring fighters as independent contractors instead of employees would be a barrier to 99% of the UFC roster.