Nick Curson Elevation Mask ? | Page 2

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  1. Badger67 Taxidea taxus

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    If you have ever seen someone pass out or nearly pass out from using it, then yes they experienced it mildly to say the least.
     
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  3. SpeedofSPort White Belt

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    Your feet and the muscles around your ankle (soleus, etc.) are responsible for nearly 70% of your upright posture. Wheneve you lift anything, squat, deadlift , those muscles are activated to a high degree to stabilise the entire body and load being moved, now take into account the length of the foot as a lever in relation to the body and you'll understand better how much force these muscles must produce to prevent you from falling on your face. Try to lift without your feet. If they're not the strongest then they are damn close.
     
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    There are studies that show hypertrophy of type 2x fibers in soleus muscles of rats tribes in hypoxia, I experimented with it, wasn't sold on it... I will say this though,I feel it helps repattern breathing like nothing else which is probably where, if any cardio benefit comes from.
     
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    I just plug my nose and breathe through a straw while I train, much cheaper and it makes me gas out in 30 seconds as opposed to 1 minute with the altitude mask
     
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    Yeah
    but he went so far as to say you should do shit like tip toe leg presses and dumb shit like that.
     
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  7. SpeedofSPort White Belt

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    you mean work your ankle joint through a full range of motion? Doesn't sound all that stupid. If you haven't tried it you're probably neglecting a lot of extra strength you could be developing.
     
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    So do calf raises?
     
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  9. selfcritical Brown Belt

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    That sounds like using a leg press to approximate a squat jump. Not going to be a primary movement for most people, but no particular reason it should be a crazy bad idea. Probably would work better with flywheel resistance than a normal-ass leg press (and is known to work pretty damn well with just a barbell)
     
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    So you gas out while drinking milkshakes, got it.
     
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  11. deadshot138 Brown Belt

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    I've walked on my tip toes most my life due to tight Achilles' tendons, calves of a pro bodybuilder and I'm sure my ankles are just fine.
     
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    I don't train while drinking milkshakes though... but yes
     
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  13. SpeedofSPort White Belt

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    Leg press is a much more common piece of equipment than flywheel, which is why I mentioned. Unloaded leg press should be light enough to work all the toes as well as the ankle. Triple extension is one of the most commonly undertrained movements, yet essential for nearly ever Sport.
     
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    You've got it backwards, prob safe to say your ankles ARE NOT fine if you've got tight Achilles forcing you to walk on your " tip toes".
     
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    Why not a high pull, or clean? Requires less equipment. Or a med ball toss from the floor?
     
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    Which is unfortunate. Flywheel devices are pretty rad, but for some reason the equipment price is crazily inflated (the KBOX is like 5 grand?) despite being slightly less complex than a Concept II. Someone should really attempt to undercut the market rate soon.
     
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    Every training mask claim that I've seen is complete bullshit. You might as well just choke yourself for a similar effect.

    The only ways to obtain the benefits of lower oxygen concentration are to:
    1. Go to altitude
    2. Use a high altitude tent.
    3. a re-breather with a CO2 scrubber.

    In addition, it had been shown repeatedly that you don't need to train at low O2 pressure to obtain the maximum benefit. You should sleep at low pressure and train at sea level. There is a mountain of work in the scientific literature on this topic.
     
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    Correct. Real high altitude re-breather systems include a CO2 scrubber such as sodasorb.

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  19. SpeedofSPort White Belt

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    But it does not alter SP02 le
    you can do those as well as a progressive exercise to the above mentioned. Going right to explosive movements doesn't give the toes and other smaller intrinsic muscle enough attention to get the best out of them, but what you mentioned are all great exercises, just prefer them after rehabbing feet and toes.
     
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    I've compared elevation masks to hypoxic trainers on my YouTube, elevation mask obviously doesn't alter spo2, however it MAY force a more controlled breathing pattern due to restriction which may have benefit. Personally never used or recommended an elevation mask, except for that one test...
     
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