Myth: Conor can takedown Floyd easily. Conor went for a takedown, failed. Maidana took down Floyd!!!

I do agree with you that the most problematic matchup for Conor would be a high level striker - particularly one with a very strong chin and a lot of cardio. If Conor fought a guy with a high level Muay Thai background (ideally one used to fighting with just wrapped hands and without gloves), who had been an MMA fighter for awhile and had good counter-grappling, that could be trouble for him - particularly one with good ranged body kicks which could drain him (I'm visualing a San Shou fighter, like Cung Le). A pure boxer would face a steeper climb - a fair bit of the head movement and defensive posturing, stances etc are countered by kicks/knees/elbows - but I personally would love to see more boxers transition to MMA while they still are young and healthy - and with guys like Conor making big money I suspect we may see some lesser-known and poor-drawing boxing champs come to MMA. Which would be awesome. Particularly if the UFC stranglehold ever cracks and they start paying the fighters what they deserve, we might see some of that.

As far as mixing phases of fighting, I agree that Fedor may be the best ever at it (argument for Jon Jones and GSP too, and a bunch of lower level fighters like Clay Guida and Kenny Florian etc were really good - Frank Shamrock and Bas Rutten long ago), but it's a continuum, not a "can do it/can't do it" kind of a thing. By the time a guy is rising to the top of his division he can usually do it really well - maybe not GSP level well but really really well compared to a regional pro fighter. Watching a lot of regional MMA this is what strikes me as the biggest difference. It takes a looooong time to get to that point and fighters young in their careers gas very quickly and are extremely awkward when doing this - it takes years and a lot of fights to do it well.

Although not the best at it, Conor actually is still a passable example of transitions making for more effective application, specifically because he doesn't have a wrestling background (although I would argue his MMA wrestling is still pretty darn good). Despite no background in it, in a MMA setting he is able to execute takedowns with good effect (unless he's completely gassed/rocked/dead, but very few can pull off a takedown under those conditions anyway) - he was really effective with his takedowns in the Holloway fight, and Holloway is far from being the easiest guy to take down with an 83 percent takedown defense stat at the moment. Conor's ground game is also under-rated, particularly his guard - as a BJJ player myself I was really surprised to see how well he did, sweeping a good Cesar Gracie blackbelt from open guard is no easy task (Nate still beat him that fight and is still the superior grappler, but it was a cool moment). Joe Rogan had an anecdote where Conor often will show up at random MMA gyms while training and join the BJJ classes and train with the best guys - most MMA guys don't do that.

A Pure Boxer will need to get used to kicks, but I don't think the climb is that steep...Atleast when facing somebody like Conor. Nate Diaz, not to shit on Nate Diaz, but Nate Diaz is essentially a boxer when it comes to MMA(of course his BJJ scares people off from taking him down)...Rarely uses kicks or takedowns....I think a boxer can adjust to knees/kicks/elbows quickly...

As for Takedowns, Yes he took down Holloway but lets put it into perspective...Halloway was fairly green when he fought Conor and had an ankle injury(Conor was injured too).....Most importantly, halloway is a featherweight.

A Boxer like GGG or Canelo are legit 170+ lbs...That makes a huge difference, they are athletic/strong and have size, they will be handful for Conor to takedown...They are no Featherweight Max Halloway.

Also look how he took him down.
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His takedowns were taking advantage of a kick/knee....GGG or Canelo will not use such a tactic....I feel it would be hard to get GGG/Canelo unbalanced like somebody who throws kicks, Conor is an opportunistic takedown guy....Now a real wrestler, will shot from far away and takedown GGG/Canelo easily with pure power/technique, Conor isn't that guy...Which is why I say GGG/Canelo are fucked against Khabib/Ferguson, real wrestlers but not when facing Conor.




Conor's BJJ without a doubt be better but can he take it there and be offensive enough? I think it will be superhard.
 
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Those of us with the keenest of eyes see that boxing is light years away from fighting.
What a dumb fuck, you shouldve been swallowed you idiot.
Niether is fighting and there is no such thing as "closer" to fighting. Youre either fighting or youre not fighting, simple as that idiot.
 
Conor's BJJ without a doubt be better but can he take it there and be offensive enough? I think it will be superhard.

Well, I for one would love to see it and hope it happens! It would indeed be a challenge for Conor and he wouldn't be able to use his A game, which essentially is a boxing-heavy kickboxing style that resembles a lot of Karate fighters in movement and other aspects;- the question is whether his B game (kicks/knees/elbows and takedowns/ground game) is well developed enough to apply against an extremely athletic MMA novice with devastating punching skills.

I actually think there would be a lot more PPV buys and interest in a top boxer coming to MMA to challenge Conor, than the reverse at this point - we've seen Conor, we know what he's capable of in boxing (and what he isn't) but what would a top boxer in his prime be able to do? It doesn't have to be someone of GGG or Canelo's drawing power to make it a huge circus; maybe Errol Spence Jr or Keith Thurman or something could challenge him at 145, or Erislandy Lara at 155. Doesn't really matter as long as it is a top boxer in their prime that they could bill as a style vs style matchup, ala UFC 1. Being an old school MMA fan from UFC 1, I love to see specialists enter into MMA, and would be all for it. I admit, I'd be pretty nervous too - even though James Toney was old and out of shape when facing Couture, I was biting my fingernails because the extreme power of boxers (particularly with small gloves) can catch people off guard at times (as Tim Sylvia would I'm sure admit).

Side note - since this is the Conor vs Floyd forum and all - can you even imagine the madness and hype if Floyd decided to do a MMA fight against Conor? Oh man. I think it would rather easily pass their boxing PPVs.
 
What a dumb fuck, you shouldve been swallowed you idiot.
Niether is fighting and there is no such thing as "closer" to fighting. Youre either fighting or youre not fighting, simple as that idiot.

Or alternatively, I would argue they are both fighting; even outside the ring there are "rules" for various reasons - maybe you don't want to do something dirty and escalate the fight to the next level, or end up in prison, or maim/kill your adversary....maybe you don't want to go to the ground because you might get jumped, or you do want to go to the ground because it's the safest way to restrain someone until the cops get there, and so on and so forth. There are "street" fights that might resemble one sport more than another, depending on the circumstances. And there are situations where it is probably better to be a boxer, and ones where it would be better to be a Muay Thai fighter, BJJ player, Judoka, Wrestler etc etc etc, maybe even some situation where a background in Tai Kwon Do or something would be good.

Being a MMA fan of course I naturally think being a MMA fighter is best because they have such a wide range of skills typically that they will be prepared in multiple situations. Whether or not they make the right choice though is a different matter.
 
Well, I for one would love to see it and hope it happens! It would indeed be a challenge for Conor and he wouldn't be able to use his A game, which essentially is a boxing-heavy kickboxing style that resembles a lot of Karate fighters in movement and other aspects;- the question is whether his B game (kicks/knees/elbows and takedowns/ground game) is well developed enough to apply against an extremely athletic MMA novice with devastating punching skills.

I actually think there would be a lot more PPV buys and interest in a top boxer coming to MMA to challenge Conor, than the reverse at this point - we've seen Conor, we know what he's capable of in boxing (and what he isn't) but what would a top boxer in his prime be able to do? It doesn't have to be someone of GGG or Canelo's drawing power to make it a huge circus; maybe Errol Spence Jr or Keith Thurman or something could challenge him at 145, or Erislandy Lara at 155. Doesn't really matter as long as it is a top boxer in their prime that they could bill as a style vs style matchup, ala UFC 1. Being an old school MMA fan from UFC 1, I love to see specialists enter into MMA, and would be all for it. I admit, I'd be pretty nervous too - even though James Toney was old and out of shape when facing Couture, I was biting my fingernails because the extreme power of boxers (particularly with small gloves) can catch people off guard at times (as Tim Sylvia would I'm sure admit).

Side note - since this is the Conor vs Floyd forum and all - can you even imagine the madness and hype if Floyd decided to do a MMA fight against Conor? Oh man. I think it would rather easily pass their boxing PPVs.

It's pointless and not that interesting. Floyd would be a man in his 40's, way past his physical prime, trying to compete at the highest level in disciplines he never competed in before. It wouldn't be a smart move by him.
 
Or alternatively, I would argue they are both fighting; even outside the ring there are "rules" for various reasons - maybe you don't want to do something dirty and escalate the fight to the next level, or end up in prison, or maim/kill your adversary....maybe you don't want to go to the ground because you might get jumped, or you do want to go to the ground because it's the safest way to restrain someone until the cops get there, and so on and so forth. There are "street" fights that might resemble one sport more than another, depending on the circumstances. And there are situations where it is probably better to be a boxer, and ones where it would be better to be a Muay Thai fighter, BJJ player, Judoka, Wrestler etc etc etc, maybe even some situation where a background in Tai Kwon Do or something would be good.

Being a MMA fan of course I naturally think being a MMA fighter is best because they have such a wide range of skills typically that they will be prepared in multiple situations. Whether or not they make the right choice though is a different matter.
There are no rules in fighting.
Mma and boxing are regulated/simulated fights.
Fights do break out in boxing and mma matches though.
 
What a dumb fuck, you shouldve been swallowed you idiot.
Niether is fighting and there is no such thing as "closer" to fighting. Youre either fighting or youre not fighting, simple as that idiot.
By that logic arm wrestling is equivalent to boxing in terms of fighting.
 
By that logic arm wrestling is equivalent to boxing in terms of fighting.
They arent fighting you idiot, boxing nor mma are fighting.
Sit your special ed ass down now
You just be happy with that participation trophy you keep trying to hand mcconnah mcpillowfists.
 
Do boxing marks label arm wrestling as fighting?
 
They arent fighting you idiot, boxing nor mma are fighting.
Sit your special ed ass down now
You just be happy with that participation trophy you keep trying to hand mcconnah mcpillowfists.
Well, shucks, why is one dun called the ultimate FIGHTING championship

derp derp herp
 
Well, I for one would love to see it and hope it happens! It would indeed be a challenge for Conor and he wouldn't be able to use his A game, which essentially is a boxing-heavy kickboxing style that resembles a lot of Karate fighters in movement and other aspects;- the question is whether his B game (kicks/knees/elbows and takedowns/ground game) is well developed enough to apply against an extremely athletic MMA novice with devastating punching skills.

I actually think there would be a lot more PPV buys and interest in a top boxer coming to MMA to challenge Conor, than the reverse at this point - we've seen Conor, we know what he's capable of in boxing (and what he isn't) but what would a top boxer in his prime be able to do? It doesn't have to be someone of GGG or Canelo's drawing power to make it a huge circus; maybe Errol Spence Jr or Keith Thurman or something could challenge him at 145, or Erislandy Lara at 155. Doesn't really matter as long as it is a top boxer in their prime that they could bill as a style vs style matchup, ala UFC 1. Being an old school MMA fan from UFC 1, I love to see specialists enter into MMA, and would be all for it. I admit, I'd be pretty nervous too - even though James Toney was old and out of shape when facing Couture, I was biting my fingernails because the extreme power of boxers (particularly with small gloves) can catch people off guard at times (as Tim Sylvia would I'm sure admit).

Side note - since this is the Conor vs Floyd forum and all - can you even imagine the madness and hype if Floyd decided to do a MMA fight against Conor? Oh man. I think it would rather easily pass their boxing PPVs.

Well another thing about his B game, is if he will use it?...The man has an ego, him using his B game will be like Floyd using his philly shell and actually boxing..Floyd fought him the simplest way possible, thats how confident he was in is abilities...Would Conor do the same and keep it standing? I don't think the kicks/knees will do a huge difference TBH, Nate Diaz thought us, that all you have to do is be aware of them, you don't need to throw kicks or knees....GGG/Canelo in a year could get ready For Conors kicks...Of course he could pull guard, and try to prove a "real fighting" point but it would look weak, and Canelo/GGG are pretty strong guys, not sure if pulling guard will work, specially since you will get super close to their striking range.

I really don't want him to fight Spence or Thurman....They are great boxers but they are 147lbs.....They are Manlets and would be outsized by Conor thus taken down, Boxers arn't used to cutting 20+lbs....Althought Errol Spence could probably bulk and be similar to Conor but that's too much change on top of transitioning to MMA....Canelo/GGG are the perfect size, both are legit around 170lbs, which is Conor's real size. Not only that but they are strong/stocky which will help them in TDD.

I agree tho, a Prime Boxer coming to MMA to fight the Champ would sell a shitload of PPVs!!!! Specially if the boxer knows how to shit talk..

Floyd in MMA would sell a shitload of PPVs but the fight should take place @ like 142 lbs....Conor's size would be too much.
 
Yet your favorite mma fighter wins with boxing.
Kick rocks young homo, real fight fans enjoy both sports.

Ironic isn't it? Conor's main weapon in the "close to real fighting" MMA, is boxing. He wins by being a better boxer than his opponents and outboxing them. So I guess boxing is pretty damn useful in "real fighting" afterall.
 
Ironic isn't it? Conor's main weapon in the "close to real fighting" MMA, is boxing. He wins by being a better boxer than his opponents and outboxing them. So I guess boxing is pretty damn useful in "real fighting" afterall.
Punching isn't boxing.

Kicking isn't kickboxing.

If somebody punches someone, are they automatically now a boxer?

Boxing is a sport. Punching is a method of striking something or someone.

I still can't believe the idiot who created this thread thinks McGregor tried to wrestle Mayweather to the mat during a boxing match.

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Punching isn't boxing.

Kicking isn't kickboxing.

If somebody punches someone, are they automatically now a boxer?

Boxing is a sport. Punching is a method of striking something or someone.

God you're stupid.
 
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