Myth: Conor can takedown Floyd easily. Conor went for a takedown, failed. Maidana took down Floyd!!!

[EL GOAT]

Where top level MMA fighters tend to really shine over less experienced fighters is being able to mix multiple phases of fighting together - transitioning from grappling to striking, wrestling straight into subs, sweeps to standing up and striking again immediately. This isn't an easy thing to learn and generally takes years and many fights to do it - you can train kickboxing or BJJ or wrestling and if you are a freak pick it up fairly quickly (not one year quickly, but much faster than most people); but being able to integrate them together takes a lot of time and experience - generally it takes a lot of fights in MMA to do it. Not unlike building up the ability to go 12 rounds as a boxer at high intensity, which typically takes years, even for talented boxers young in their careers. This is what allows MMA fighters to land strikes against elite strikers that would destroy them in a kickboxing match, or land takedowns on high level wrestlers who would ragdoll them in a pure wrestling match.

As a separate issue, I have no doubt that there are boxers CAPABLE of becoming elite MMA fighters with years of work. But whereas a #3 ranked boxer might make it into the top levels of MMA, a #1 ranked boxer might not even come close - you see this in specialists from other disciplines coming to MMA all the time. There are high level Judokas who were competitive in the UFC, and ones who get throttled in smaller orgs; same with kickboxers, wrestlers, BJJ players and so on. This is particularly true with a super-narrow sport like boxing.

Bro...Other than Fedor/Yoel and a very few guys...Nobody mixes the multiple phases of fighting in a natural manner.

I seen MMA a lot, nobody has that flawless transition, other than Fedor/Yoel, perhaps I missing some other names but it's really fucking rare.


Conor is certainly not one of those guys who mixes his striking perfectly with his takedowns...I seen his striking to takedowns, they don't look as if it was one move, they look very mechanical...


Again Im gonna bring up Nate Diaz...Although he is a BJJ Blackbelt, he is just a boxer in MMA...Seriously, he is flat footed, slow, and just keeps walking straight, he does basically zero transitions except for the very occasional takedown....and I seen his striking to takedown, nothing special about it...Nothing that will take years to learn...Sorry, if Nate Diaz can do it ,Canelo/GGG can do it.

MMA Fighters land strikes against kickboxers, because A) Kickboxers Defense sucks, it really does and B) I seen Kickboxers vs Wrestlers, they focus too much on the takedowns so get hit.


Again Im not saying Canelo/GGG will become the GOAT MMA fighters...Im simply talking about Conor vs GGG/Canelo......Khabib/Ferguson/etc would destroy GGG/Canelo because like you said, it takes years to stop a legit wrestlers takedown.


Conor is not a wrestler...His wrestling shot sucks ass...it wouldn't take much to defend one of his takedowns.


Nate Diaz taught us that Conor's weakness is boxing.....Canelo/GGG are 10x better, more powerful, and more mobile than Nate Diaz.


Canelo/GGG are simply a bad matchup for Conor in MMA.....I honestly think that Canelo/GGG have the body type/Athleticism/Size to have way better TDD than Nate Diaz or anybody Manlet featherweight that Conor has taken down.


All Canelo/GGG have to do is train TDD/Learn to be aware of kicks/Check leg kicks(Nate Diaz biggest weakness that he learned a couple of fights ago and he got far in MMA)/defensive BJJ.


Again, Im not saying they will be the best MMA fighters ever(They will need years to be well rounded enough to beat everybody,, and like you said it will depend on the Fighter because being well rounded is not easy for everybody)...but they will certainly be a horrible match up for Conor.

 

[PubliusVentidius]

He took Holloway down multiple times despite having a torn acl yet he wouldn't take down a 150 lbs midget with no mma training like Mayweather lol.

 

[FacePunch]

This might be the best thread on Sherdog.

 

[WalkenWouldOwn]

a 150 lbs midget

Conor got demolished by a midget.

 

[sb413197]

Bro...Other than Fedor/Yoel and a very few guys...Nobody mixes the multiple phases of fighting in a natural manner.

I seen MMA a lot, nobody has that flawless transition, other than Fedor/Yoel, perhaps I missing some other names but it's really fucking rare.


Conor is certainly not one of those guys who mixes his striking perfectly with his takedowns...I seen his striking to takedowns, they don't look as if it was one move, they look very mechanical...


Again Im gonna bring up Nate Diaz...Although he is a BJJ Blackbelt, he is just a boxer in MMA...Seriously, he is flat footed, slow, and just keeps walking straight, he does basically zero transitions except for the very occasional takedown....and I seen his striking to takedown, nothing special about it...Nothing that will take years to learn...Sorry, if Nate Diaz can do it ,Canelo/GGG can do it.

MMA Fighters land strikes against kickboxers, because A) Kickboxers Defense sucks, it really does and B) I seen Kickboxers vs Wrestlers, they focus too much on the takedowns so get hit.


Again Im not saying Canelo/GGG will become the GOAT MMA fighters...Im simply talking about Conor vs GGG/Canelo......Khabib/Ferguson/etc would destroy GGG/Canelo because like you said, it takes years to stop a legit wrestlers takedown.


Conor is not a wrestler...His wrestling shot sucks ass...it wouldn't take much to defend one of his takedowns.


Nate Diaz taught us that Conor's weakness is boxing.....Canelo/GGG are 10x better, more powerful, and more mobile than Nate Diaz.


Canelo/GGG are simply a bad matchup for Conor in MMA.....I honestly think that Canelo/GGG have the body type/Athleticism/Size to have way better TDD than Nate Diaz or anybody Manlet featherweight that Conor has taken down.


All Canelo/GGG have to do is train TDD/Learn to be aware of kicks/Check leg kicks(Nate Diaz biggest weakness that he learned a couple of fights ago and he got far in MMA)/defensive BJJ.


Again, Im not saying they will be the best MMA fighters ever(They will need years to be well rounded enough to beat everybody,, and like you said it will depend on the Fighter because being well rounded is not easy for everybody)...but they will certainly be a horrible match up for Conor.

I do agree with you that the most problematic matchup for Conor would be a high level striker - particularly one with a very strong chin and a lot of cardio. If Conor fought a guy with a high level Muay Thai background (ideally one used to fighting with just wrapped hands and without gloves), who had been an MMA fighter for awhile and had good counter-grappling, that could be trouble for him - particularly one with good ranged body kicks which could drain him (I'm visualing a San Shou fighter, like Cung Le). A pure boxer would face a steeper climb - a fair bit of the head movement and defensive posturing, stances etc are countered by kicks/knees/elbows - but I personally would love to see more boxers transition to MMA while they still are young and healthy - and with guys like Conor making big money I suspect we may see some lesser-known and poor-drawing boxing champs come to MMA. Which would be awesome. Particularly if the UFC stranglehold ever cracks and they start paying the fighters what they deserve, we might see some of that.

As far as mixing phases of fighting, I agree that Fedor may be the best ever at it (argument for Jon Jones and GSP too, and a bunch of lower level fighters like Clay Guida and Kenny Florian etc were really good - Frank Shamrock and Bas Rutten long ago), but it's a continuum, not a "can do it/can't do it" kind of a thing. By the time a guy is rising to the top of his division he can usually do it really well - maybe not GSP level well but really really well compared to a regional pro fighter. Watching a lot of regional MMA this is what strikes me as the biggest difference. It takes a looooong time to get to that point and fighters young in their careers gas very quickly and are extremely awkward when doing this - it takes years and a lot of fights to do it well.

Although not the best at it, Conor actually is still a passable example of transitions making for more effective application, specifically because he doesn't have a wrestling background (although I would argue his MMA wrestling is still pretty darn good). Despite no background in it, in a MMA setting he is able to execute takedowns with good effect (unless he's completely gassed/rocked/dead, but very few can pull off a takedown under those conditions anyway) - he was really effective with his takedowns in the Holloway fight, and Holloway is far from being the easiest guy to take down with an 83 percent takedown defense stat at the moment. Conor's ground game is also under-rated, particularly his guard - as a BJJ player myself I was really surprised to see how well he did, sweeping a good Cesar Gracie blackbelt from open guard is no easy task (Nate still beat him that fight and is still the superior grappler, but it was a cool moment). Joe Rogan had an anecdote where Conor often will show up at random MMA gyms while training and join the BJJ classes and train with the best guys - most MMA guys don't do that.

 

[SHRHNS]

If you died, your epitaph would read: Nothing of Value was Lost

Your epitaph wouldn't exist. Nobody cares about yours. Atleast he will have one.

 

[PubliusVentidius]

Conor got demolished by a midget.

In boxing, we are talking in MMA, he doesn't even have to take Mayweather down, with kicks and smaller gloves Mayweather gets finished on the feet in 30 seconds.

 

[FlowchartRog]

Lloyd has never had anything close to a real fight his entire life

Neither has Conor. Oh wait, he got beat up in Crumlin once, so yeah, his "real fight" record is the same as his boxing record, 0-1 with all losses coming by TKO. lol.

 

[FlowchartRog]

In boxing, we are talking in MMA, he doesn't even have to take Mayweather down, with kicks and smaller gloves Mayweather gets finished on the feet in 30 seconds.

lol, yeah like those smaller gloves are suddenly going to stop him punching like Paulie, you donut. Smaller gloves favours the guy who can actually punch, which is Floyd. Floyd would give him even worse brain damage with 4oz gloves.

 

[ICEibuPROfen]

Neither has Conor. Oh wait, he got beat up in Crumlin once, so yeah, his "real fight" record is the same as his boxing record, 0-1 with all losses coming by TKO. lol.

Wrong. MMA is light years closer to fighting than boxing is

 

[FlowchartRog]

Wrong. MMA is light years closer to fighting than boxing is

No it isn't. They are both officiated sports, full of rules and regulations, point systems, time limits, and a ref.

They're also both much better than a "real fight" that generally involves two scrubs wailing on each other - so holding up these "real fights" as the holy grail of hand to hand combat is fucking retarded. Which I suppose is why you do it, because you're a retard.

 

[ICEibuPROfen]

No it isn't. They are both officiated sports, full of rules and regulations, point systems, time limits, and a ref.

And one is light years closer to fighting than the other.

They're also both much better than a "real fight" that generally involves two scrubs wailing on each other - so holding up these "real fights" as the holy grail of hand to hand combat is fucking retarded. Which I suppose is why you do it, because you're a retard.

Low-level fights do not define the potential capabilities that may occur in fighting.

P.S. the ultimate FIGHTING championship...mull that over for a tad bit

 

[Spitfire3000]

He didn't try to take him down, retard. He tried to box hug him.

 

[Massapiece]

He would have gotten fined a ton if he took Lloyd down

He tried to get himself fined and got shrugged off fairly easily by the malteser.
Mma fighters suck.

 

[ICEibuPROfen]

He tried to get himself fined and got shrugged off fairly easily by the malteser.
Mma fighters suck.

LOL

 

[RandomUser12]

Yes, it seemed strange Conor was so keen to stress how Mayweather would've made a good MMA fighter if he had made the transition. Almost an admission that, regardless of the ruleset - or no ruleset at all, for that matter - Conor simply could not beat this man.

How sad that it took brain trauma for Conor to find some humility for once in his life.

 

[Massapiece]

LOL

You must have poor vision, those of us that have a keen eye saw conor shoot a takedown at 1 point and get shrugged off fairly easily.

 

[RichardN7]

Can we stop with the narrative, that Conor is an amazing wrestler that can shoot in and take down anybody who doesn't train?(He never shoots in from wrestling distance)...So Conor would be a boxer 100% of the time even if the boxer trained for a year.

Just look at how easily Floyd stuffs the takedown LMFAO....Floyd has literally never trained to stuff a takedown.


Now lets compare that to Maidana

Maidana has never trained MMA...yet he easily took down floyd....Something the so called "takedown expert" Conor couldn't do.


I hear all you people talking shit about Floyd taking 10 rounds to stop Conor........Why don't I hear shit about Conor failing to takedown Mayweather yet Maidana took him down easily.




LMFAO @ Conor Fanboys/MMA elitist....You guys don't know shit about MMA or boxing.


I would pick a boxer who trained TDD/Leg kicks/Defensive BJJ over Conor, any time......Give them 1 year of training and Conor will get destroyed.

Nate Diaz is essentially a boxer.....Dude is lanky as fuck so he is to takedown but look at how he fights, rarely throws kicks and just boxes....In fact he just started learning how to defend kicks a couple of fights ago, that was like his biggest weakness lol.

Conor low kicks him into the living death
Indisputable fact

 

[ICEibuPROfen]

You must have poor vision, those of us that have a keen eye saw conor shoot a takedown at 1 point and get shrugged off fairly easily.

Those of us with the keenest of eyes see that boxing is light years away from fighting.

 

[gmr7494]

Lulz. May would sprawl and brawl against panic mac the wrestler.

Money May by tko r1.

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