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  1. SuperSuperRambo Senior Moderator

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    Ezekiel, armbar, and twisting leglocks. You can practically get them from any position. They might not be high percentage from every position, but there's almost always a ridiculous way to sneak one of these in. Ezekiel is very much underutilized.
     
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    You can get omoplata from top if you're willing to risk position and roll into it. For example, off a single leg. You can get it from side, anywhere you can entangle the arm in your legs. Not always a high percentage.

    You can get the D'arce from under side control, and go for it from any non-full-guard top position.

    You can also get the keylock from the guard (if you can go to a "high guard").

    Those are some less common variations that I know.
     
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  3. Bucketbot Blue Belt

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    hard to beat the Kimura...

    You can get that submission from damn near anywhere!
     
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  4. dza76wutang Black Belt

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    Balto and Rambo, thank you muchly for the insight.
     
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  5. Sharkmachine Yellow Belt

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    For me its the triangle. You can catch them everywhere. Open guard, closed guard, scrambles, omo plata, mounts, side mount, back... Anytime you can clear an arm.
     
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    for me, armbars just bc i can always threaten them. after reading this thread, i am going to work much more on kimuras for the sweeps
     
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  7. Title Fight Productions Steel Belt

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    You mention the Kimura as a counter to the rear body lock, but you don't mention the straight=arm as a sub from the same position. It should be done in a progression if im not mistaken. Meaning you fight the hands, and attack one arm with the straight-arm, then if they defend you turn it into the kimura and sweep. At least that is how i see it. So +1 to the straight-arm?
     
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  8. Title Fight Productions Steel Belt

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    I was just running the arm triangle thru my mind getting ready to add it. Then i read your post....
     
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  9. DaRuckus337 Black Belt

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    For me personally, the guillotine has proven to be a very versatile submission. It can be found in guard, from top and bottom half guard, to counter side control escapes, from mount, from top of turtle, and as part of takedown defense.

    But outside of my own personal game, I would say pretty much every major submission is very versatile. I have seen people who are effective with triangles, armbars, gi chokes, arm triangles, keylocks, kimuras, and leglocks from just about everywhere. It's easier to list the subs that aren't versatile than the ones that are.
     
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    How about the knebar, another one you can hit from -alot- of positions...
     
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    gogos man. cuz those subs version of versitality's too mainstream 4-ya dude.
     
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    calf slicer
     
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  13. Forkfoot White Knight and Warrior of Social Justice

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    Toe hold.
     
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  14. Pine Saggin' pants. Gat in hand.

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    No love for wristlocks?
     
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    win
     
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  16. kenban judan orange belt, i think

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    and survey says (so far)

    • kimura 8
    • armbar 6
    • arm triangle variations (i.e., d'arce) 6
    • ezekiel 4
    • triangle 4
    • toe-hold, twisting leg locks 4
    • omoplata 2
    • americana 2
    • kneebar 1
    • rnc 1
    • gogoplata 1
    • guillotine 1
    • calf slicer 1
    • wristlock 1
     
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  17. Art Vandelay Latex Salesman

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    Since you are considering arm triangle variations together, there is no doubt, unless I am completely ignoring something obvious, that they are the winner.

    That's 3 major variations, which one or more of can be done from:
    Guard-top
    Guard-bottom
    Half-top
    Half-bottom
    Side-top
    Side-bottom
    N/S-top
    N/S-bottom
    Mount-top
    Mount-bottom
    Neon-belly-top
    From the back
    From their turtle/shot

    If you played the same game with armbars, reverse armbars, z-armbars, overhook armbars, etc--you'll probably win with armbars for numbers. In terms of positional versatility, the arm triangle wins IMO.
     
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  18. Mikey Triangles Bending Joints the Wrong Way Since 1985

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    you guys are underestimating the relentless versatility of the Ezekial. Nothing else even comes close. Take all the positons listed above and add some inferior ones like:

    under mount
    inside guard

    and this can even be applied to fortify and enhance another submission like the arm-triangle (or Darce). This is how Kron actually got submitted at the worlds last year. And what I wrote barely scratches the surface.

    Ezekial easily takes this one. The argument can be made for 3rd, and maybe 2nd place.
     
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  19. Mikey Triangles Bending Joints the Wrong Way Since 1985

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    you guys are underestimating the relentless versatility of the Ezekial. Nothing else even comes close. Take all the positons listed above and add some inferior ones like:

    under mount
    inside guard

    and this can even be applied to fortify and enhance another submission like the arm-triangle (or Darce). This is how Kron actually got submitted at the worlds last year. And what I wrote barely scratches the surface.

    Ezekial easily takes this one. The argument can be made for 3rd, and maybe 2nd place.
     
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    you guys are underestimating the relentless versatility of the Ezekial. Nothing else even comes close. Take all the positons listed above and add some inferior ones like:

    under mount
    inside guard

    and this can even be applied to fortify and enhance another submission like the arm-triangle (or Darce). This is how Kron actually got submitted at the worlds last year. And what I wrote barely scratches the surface.

    Ezekial easily takes this one. The argument can be made for 3rd, and maybe 2nd place.
     
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