Lloyd Irvin's students accused of brutal rape (Part 2)

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I don't mean to minimize your contribution, but while you were typing that up I provided some details that KGB was unaware of and, as a result, he has disavowed his earlier position. The consensus seems to be that Lloyd probably raped the victim himself and also helped restrain her for others.

I noticed this after I posted it. Curses! And thank you!


Oh well, I rolled his argument into some other people's as well, and the post started just as an explanation of "shadow of a doubt" versus "reasonable doubt". Many people seemed unwilling to accept any form of doubt whatsoever, which is unreasonable. That was my main point.
 
Indeed Oyaji, one of the oldest cop outs is 'I didn't know.......'.
 
Agreed. The testimony that Gatling & Irvin claimed to be invited does indeed nullify the "we just assumed she was consenting" theory. This happening at the end of the incident means someone has to be lying. The invitation makes the two stories incompatible. She would never invite someone after being raped, and I refuse to believe that she made everything up. If someone is lying, it has to be Irvin & Gatling. I won't call the victim a liar.

I wrote this in my wall of text post but took it out to focus on the stupidity/ignorance argument - which you disregarded as I was slowly typing. Kudos for being able to change your argument when presented with new evidence - most people don't do that, rather they dig in.

But ya, the first guys threatened her and the second wave of rapists claimed she invited them. I guess we could argue that she invited them because she was threatened with death and they may not have heard the death threats, but I think I covered this line of thought in my wall of text.


Anyway, good discussion. I think anyone who has been paying attention should have learned a bit about how to construct an argument.


Case closed?
 
I think anyone who has been paying attention should have learned a bit about how to construct an argument.

I was a high-school debate coach (of the 2009 National Champs! Go Spartans!), and I'm glad I can keep that legacy going on F12.
 
Case closed?

I'm not sure the apologists are convinced.

How does Lloyd ever defend this? Thus far we have yet to see the court documents, which I assume are public record at this point. What kind of statement can you make that would buy you some type of respect within the community?
 
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now lloyd's sambo coach is a convicted CHILD MOLESTOR

you could not even make this shit up. regurgitated from UG
http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/mma.cfm?go=forum.posts&thread=2117174&forum=1&page=1&pc=27

Here is an article about Lloyd Irvin's Sambo instructor who was imprisoned for child molestation...


Martial arts expert gets more than 17 years for exploiting children

MILTON — A former Milton man and martial arts expert has been sentenced to more than 17 years in a federal prison on charges of sexual exploitation of children.

Mark Densberger, 48, was sentenced by U.S. District Judge James F. McClure Jr. to 206 months in prison, three years supervised release and a $2,000 fine on charges first filed locally about three years ago.

In 2005, Densberger received one to three years in a state correctional institution for felony counts of molesting children, with the terms to run consecutively. He was also fined $500 for each felony and ordered to pay court fees. No restitution for therapy for the parties involved was sought by the prosecution, and so none was awarded.
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Densberger was charged in the spring of 2004 for sexual assaults that took place between April 2000 and March 2004. Police also said he was in possession of child pornography.

A plea bargain agreement was reached dropping charges of rape and possession of child pornography, although Northumberland County District Attorney Anthony Rosini previously said those charges were not pursued because they would be filed in federal court.

In the 2005 sentencing hearing, the former Milton man’s defense attorney said he believed the time Densberger had already served was long enough and that he had been thoroughly embarrassed by the situation.

“He’s pleading no contest to having sexual activities with his adopted sons, he should be embarrassed,” noted the prosecutor who handled the case.

Densberger also spoke on his own behalf at the 2005 hearing.

“Basically, I just want to say I know what I did was wrong,” he said. “But to say I don’t love my children or don’t care about them, that’s just wrong. My whole life is about them."

President Judge Robert Sacavage then addressed Densberger.

“I am not about to challenge your sincerity when you say you love your children,” he said. “But what happened here is wrong. Everyone’s reaction was total shock, and that shock was because it was wrong.”

Shortly after Densberger was arraigned on the initial charges, the martial arts expert posted bail. He was nabbed at the Canadian border with court documents, cash and one of his victims. His defense team claimed he was traveling across the border for a fishing trip


and now someone made a website to tell people the truth about lloyd

http://www.lloydirvinrapeexposed.com/
 
Jesus fucking Christ, just got this from the UG.

Lloyd Irvin is the only person in the world to hold Black Belts in BJJ (Leo Dalla), Judo (USJF,USJA) and Combat Sombo (Mark Densberger) American Sombo Association.

http://federal-circuits.vlex.com/vid/usa-v-densberger-41167091
http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=12705
http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/mma.cfm?go=forum.posts&thread=2117174&forum=1&page=1&pc=29

EDIT:

Here's another site that I haven't dug through too much. Mods, feel free to remove it if you want.

http://www.prisoners.com/boysyum.html
 
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good god. Can we all now admit there is something in the Team Irving culture that is disasterously wrong?

Once is random, twice is a coincidence, 3 times is a pattern. Not saying that this is actual evidence, but this is just ever so damning.

Well as Balto(?) said, when you make an environment, you end up getting like minded people.
 
The plot thickens....

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Yeah, the Sambo guy stuff was emailed to me on the 10th, but I only found it today in the spam filter. BE editors are mulling it over, since it's a very gross and horrific story.

Plus Irvin isn't implicated, he only trained and got his black belt under him.
 
geez... when it rains it pours



Speaking of which, time for a part 3?

If someone makes part 3, can they put alot of the trial and such links on the first page? I want to have easy access to em.
 
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