Khabib training for Conor

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

Khabib didn't land every single shot against Al, he missed several of his very low shots diving for a foot, in fact Khabib's take down accuracy was very low against Al.

I compared the two because the original person I quoted was saying that since Chad was able to take down Conor with outside shots than Khabib can do it easily. Too many people over rate Khabib's overall grappling and takedowns because of his clinch game.

You're misremembering. Al slipped out of 3 TDs but Khabib landed every single one. The sweat stopped him from finishing it but Khabib locked onto his leg whenever he shot in.

Khabib's TD accuracy was the same as the rest of his fights. He's a chain wrestler, that stat is meaningless.

Edit: Rewatching the fight. Khabib misses 1 single leg but still closes distance on Al. Lands the rest.

 

[Kobra420]

Too many people over rate Khabib's overall grappling

Yeah, even guys like this non expert.....https://www.mmafighting.com/2017/2/...en-on-khabib-nurmagomedovs-wrestling-mma-news .
Great info in there.

 

[elbowsandwiches]

what is all that alien hieroglyphics?....

this is 'merica

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

what is all that alien hieroglyphics?....

this is 'merica

No words needed. Smesh is universal language.

 

[Based Akali]

You're misremembering. Al slipped out of 3 TDs but Khabib landed every single one. The sweat stopped him from finishing it but Khabib locked onto his leg whenever he shot in.

Khabib's TD accuracy was the same as the rest of his fights. He's a chain wrestler, that stat is meaningless.

That's just a difference of opinion, I don't consider Khabib having a hold of someone's leg and failing to finish the take down a success. In fact it shows just how average his outside game is compared to his bread and butter. In the center he's easily slipped, but against the cage you're going down. Even a Barboza that had been brutally battered by Khabib easily side stepped/avoided a Khabib shot from the outside.

Khabib's shots are far from average. I am sure he has no problems shooting a take down on anyone in his div (unless you're a juiced Tibau). Let's see a striker deal with his pressure.

He literally shot from the outside against Barboza who had been battered and beaten for two or three rounds and was easily sidestepped/shrugged off. His shots from the outside are average (which is why we rarely see them), his clinch game is unmatched though. He's generally very good at walking people down, but there are times when he throws out some sloppy attempts.

 

[Based Akali]

Yeah, even guys like this non expert.....https://www.mmafighting.com/2017/2/...en-on-khabib-nurmagomedovs-wrestling-mma-news .
Great info in there.

People using Khabib's amazing clinch and ground game to over rate his take down attempts from the outside is over rating his over all game. The dude is a beast that doesn't need people to over rate him. He's going to get a fight to the cage at some point to land his takedowns, there's no shame in his outside shots being average.

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

That's just a difference of opinion, I don't consider Khabib having a hold of someone's leg and failing to finish the take down a success. In fact it shows just how average his outside game is compared to his bread and butter. In the center he's easily slipped, but against the cage you're going down. Even a Barboza that had been brutally battered by Khabib easily side stepped/avoided a Khabib shot from the outside.

What you consider a success is irrelevant. You said "he missed several of his very low shots diving for a foot" and "his shots from outside are very very avoidable" which is just straight up wrong. Khabib finished the very first single that he shot in for in rounds 1 and 2. And he successfully landed and pushed Al to the fence on other attempts. That is literally the best thing for Khabib because it sets up his TD chain.

Edson rarely ever gets taken down by anyone in the center of the ring. Lee didn't even take him down in the center. He pressed against the cage and used a brute force lift after getting his double stuffed. In fact, he got completely stuffed by round 5 bloody and battered Edson. So, by you logic, Lee's TD game is just as bad if not worse than Khabib's since a worse off Barboza stuffed him.

He literally shot from the outside against Barboza who had been battered and beaten for two or three rounds and was easily sidestepped/shrugged off. His shots from the outside are average (which is why we rarely see them), his clinch game is unmatched though. He's generally very good at walking people down, but there are times when he throws out some sloppy attempts.

I don't think you have a solid grasp of how chain wrestling works. Throw away TD attempts are essential to consistently and effective getting you opponents down while making them work harder. Khabib's TDs are usually come in 3 steps.

1) Outside shot with little to no attempt to finish
2) Press against the cage
3) Back take/trip/throw/slam

When he is trying to finish single shots, he has had some solid success. He is very much above average. Al has defended outside shots from a lot of good guys but Khabib got him down fairly easily.

He's bellow Mendes but above Alvarez by a significant margin.

 

[Based Akali]

What you consider a success is irrelevant. You said "he missed several of his very low shots diving for a foot" and "his shots from outside are very very avoidable" which is just straight up wrong. Khabib finished the very first single that he shot in for in rounds 1 and 2. And he successfully landed and pushed Al to the fence on other attempts. That is literally the best thing for Khabib because it sets up his TD chain.

Edson rarely ever gets taken down by anyone in the center of the ring. Lee didn't even take him down in the center. He pressed against the cage and used a brute force lift after getting his double stuffed. In fact, he got completely stuffed by round 5 bloody and battered Edson. So, by you logic, Lee's TD game is just as bad if not worse than Khabib's since a worse off Barboza stuffed him.

I don't think you have a solid grasp of how chain wrestling works. Throw away TD attempts are essential to consistently and effective getting you opponents down while making them work harder. Khabib's TDs are usually come in 3 steps.

1) Outside shot with little to no attempt to finish
2) Press against the cage
3) Back take/trip/throw/slam

When he is trying to finish single shots, he has had some solid success. He is very much above average. Al has defended outside shots from a lot of good guys but Khabib got him down fairly easily.

He's bellow mendes but above Alvarez by a significant margin.

You yourself said that Al slipped out of Khabib's single attempts and a lot of those he reset back in the center. The times Khabib managed to push him to the fence Al was already moving to the fence anyway. In the center, which is where a fight is going to take place once Khabib runs into someone that won't be walked down easy Khabib's wrestling isn't going to be nearly as dangerous. The fact that Khabib's go to attempt when an opponent isn't walking themselves into the fence is a far off low single instead of timing a double or anything else just shows how much lower his grappling in that area is.

Khabib does chain wrestle a lot, but there are times when he does just go for a desperate shot from the outside and it fails miserably. I personally don't see a reason to use his clinch and ground game to over hype other areas of his game though(IE my original quote of someone using Mendes' takedowns as a reason why Khabib wouldn't struggle). He doesn't need anyone to do that because he's going to be champ for a long time barring getting caught by Conor coming in, if that fight ever happens.

 

[Kobra420]

People using Khabib's amazing clinch and ground game to over rate his take down attempts from the outside is over rating his over all game. The dude is a beast that doesn't need people to over rate him. He's going to get a fight to the cage at some point to land his takedowns, there's no shame in his outside shots being average.

Buddy....You are fkd (with respect).
The guy is undefeated, and a WORLD CHAMPION in grappling. And you are sitting here spewing bullshit.

 

[Kobra420]

What you consider a success is irrelevant. You said "he missed several of his very low shots diving for a foot" and "his shots from outside are very very avoidable" which is just straight up wrong. Khabib finished the very first single that he shot in for in rounds 1 and 2. And he successfully landed and pushed Al to the fence on other attempts. That is literally the best thing for Khabib because it sets up his TD chain.

Edson rarely ever gets taken down by anyone in the center of the ring. Lee didn't even take him down in the center. He pressed against the cage and used a brute force lift after getting his double stuffed. In fact, he got completely stuffed by round 5 bloody and battered Edson. So, by you logic, Lee's TD game is just as bad if not worse than Khabib's since a worse off Barboza stuffed him.

I don't think you have a solid grasp of how chain wrestling works. Throw away TD attempts are essential to consistently and effective getting you opponents down while making them work harder. Khabib's TDs are usually come in 3 steps.

1) Outside shot with little to no attempt to finish
2) Press against the cage
3) Back take/trip/throw/slam

When he is trying to finish single shots, he has had some solid success. He is very much above average. Al has defended outside shots from a lot of good guys but Khabib got him down fairly easily.

He's bellow Mendes but above Alvarez by a significant margin.

Solid post.

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

You yourself said that Al slipped out of Khabib's single attempts and a lot of those he reset back in the center. The times Khabib managed to push him to the fence Al was already moving to the fence anyway. In the center, which is where a fight is going to take place once Khabib runs into someone that won't be walked down easy Khabib's wrestling isn't going to be nearly as dangerous. The fact that Khabib's go to attempt when an opponent isn't walking themselves into the fence is a far off low single instead of timing a double or anything else just shows how much lower his grappling in that area is.

Dude the difference between slipping out and avoiding shots is MASSIVE! Especially with Khabib. Al did not avoid TDs. He slipped out due to sweat and some solid TDD. He was unsuccessful in avoiding Khabib's outside shots.

Ok, I don't think you're intentionally doing this but you're ignoring large portions of Khabib's TD game and focusing on his 2 most recent fights. Take a look at these videos when you have a chance. It'll make you realize how versatile he really is. He even has several options for TD when he is on the back foot.


He even has an analysis of his failed TDs.

Khabib does chain wrestle a lot, but there are times when he does just go for a desperate shot from the outside and it fails miserably. I personally don't see a reason to use his clinch and ground game to over hype other areas of his game though(IE my original quote of someone using Mendes' takedowns as a reason why Khabib wouldn't struggle). He doesn't need anyone to do that because he's going to be champ for a long time barring getting caught by Conor coming in, if that fight ever happens.

He does not shoot for desperate TDs. He's a pressure chain wrestler. Shooting a lot is how you get the job done. It's just another way to force clinch scenarios. Other times they're reactive TDs to capitalize on over aggression.

It's not hyping to say he's above average. It's just a fact. His outside shots are still better than many other top LW grapplers. Just because he is not like Mendes or Romero doesn't mean that he is average. He simply isn't a freak of nature.

No one is saying that Khabib has this mind blowing outside TD game. We're just pointing out that when he does commit to outside TDs, they have been fairly effective.

 

[Leoooo]

I smell a knee injury coming up!