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  1. Cint Risen

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    BTW, Thank you for your service and I really mean that.
     
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    And you don't speak for other service men and women. So shut the hell up or I'll give you a hug. Sexually.
     
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    No shit, dummy. No single person does. That was the whole point.
     
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  4. Sunfish Martinez Belt

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    I'll take chad penningtons reincarnation please.
     
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    against my better judgement i was just sitting here watching mike and mike. they had a 10 minute discussion on why kaepernick hasnt been signed. it was all about whether it was his skill or politics that was keeping teams away. not once was it mentioned that maybe he is too expensive for a backup, or better yet, that most teams dont want a backup qb that will be a distraction. doesnt matter if its his fault or not. if i am a coach, the last thing i want is to spend every day talking to the media endlessly about my backup qb.
     
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  6. ralphc1 Gold Belt

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    It isn't like Kaepernick is a great quarterback. He isn't very savvy to have opted out from his contract. He'll be 30 this fall so he isn't a long term solution. There is some question about his ability to learn a new system so he might not be able to step in and play immediately. His last two seasons weren't that good. Would your team be better off with a rookie that comes cheap? Everybody looks at Dallas last year and wonders if they could get as lucky with a rookie.

    With all of these considerations, teams have to factor in the divisive disruption he could bring to the team and fans. Football is entertainment and most don't want the disruption a player can cause.

    I don't know if either player will get another chance in the NFL.
     
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  7. IngaVovchanchyn Gold Belt

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    I think you make some great points here, and I am generally sympathetic to them. I think the problem with this argument is that it ignores the damage Kaepernick's protest did to the NFL brand. I think it is obvious that NFL ratings were down sharply for many reasons having nothing at all to do with Kaep, but I find it equally obvious that Kaepernick's protest had more than a negligible impact on the bottom line. And that is the kind of thing very few businesses will tolerate, and rightly so.

    The reason the NFL keeps its players on such a tight leash and fines guys tens of thousands of dollars for tweets they don't like, etc is because fans react to what the players do and say off the field and connect those actions and words to the NFL as a whole. Maybe they shouldn't, but they do. NFL owners have good reason to think that signing Kaepernick would anger too many paying customers.

    This is one of the rare cases in team sports where we are reminded that the ultimate goal is not to win games but to sell tickets.
     
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    Show me it affected the bottom line. There are actual criminals that are allowed to play with no concern. Ray Lewis is revered in Baltimore with no concern to ticket sales and he works for ESPN with no concern. If ticket sales were the reason, it is based in more myth than fact.
     
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    Ratings were down and polls showed a large minority of fans claimed to be disaffected by Kapernick's protest and those who mimicked it. It was all over the news for about a year.

    I also don't think you see how Kaepernick is different from Ray Lewis. Lewis committed a crime, and potentially was involved in a very serious crime. But people weren't personally insulted. A lot of Americans take insults to America personally; the same is true for most nations, because nationalism is a major part of identity for a lot for people. That's why it is such a strong political force. And Kaepernick put himself on the wrong side of that.

    Also, if owners don't think Kaep could hurt their bottom line, then why aren't they signing him?
     
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  10. Cint Risen

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    Is he even still playing? @Sunfish
     
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    No, his arm died a long time ago
     
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  12. Prefect Purple Belt

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    I think it is in their heads that he might say or do something "really dumb" because he has been shown to be someone you can't put a leash on. I still stand by my statements thought that I don't think that this has any affect on the bottom line and the 49ers or whatever organization that signs him would do themselves a service if they just made a statement that "our workers and employees are free to voice their opinions on their own time without influence or prejudice by the organization. " Not just with this issue but the NFL treats their players and employees like shit. The union should be pressing in my opinion against Kaeps shutout.
     
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  13. Cint Risen

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    Great combo.

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    You make some solid points, but such a disclaimer doesn't help much in a case like Kaepernick's, because his protest is part of the package of entertainment you present. It's not something he's doing on his own time, he is doing it right there on TV in a 49ers uniform.

    But yeah, if it isn't affecting bottom lines, then someone could probably pick up a decent back up on the cheap. Overall, that doesn't seem to be how teams see it, because no one wants him.
     
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    Interestingly, Pete Carroll has apparently said that the Seahawks are looking at RG3 and Laepernick as potential backups. We may just get to see a good NFL coach's answer to the question posed in this thread.
     
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    Who in their right mind would pick RG3 over Kaep? I honestly don't understand how this is a debate.

    Kaep is bigger, faster, more durable, less shell shocked, and only marginally less accurate.

    Over past two seasons:

    RG3: 6 TD, 9 INT, 2480 passing yards, 355 rushing yards
    Kaep: 22 TD, 9 INT, 3856 passing yards, 724 rushing yards

    Same amount of interceptions, but Kaep has 4 times as many touchdown passes. What is the debate here?
     
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  17. Cint Risen

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  18. Cint Risen

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    Carroll interested in Kaepernick as a backup.

    www.ninersnation.com/2017/5/25/15691218/colin-kaepernick-seattle-seahawks-russell-wilsons-backup
     
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  19. Madmick Stop Spoiling My TV Life (it's the one I like)

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    That RG3 won't plummet attendance. Remember, at the end of the day, the reason you want good players is to win because winning puts butts in seats.

    When you have a quarterback that neither wins nor resists driving away fans out of a personal political agenda...well, you take notice all those trees make up a forest.
     
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