Is this gif proof of Machida's greasing ?

[Jehannum]

Why wouldn't I be serious? With GSP, you saw him getting lubed up, and you see weird ass injection marks and HGH gut. With Machida, there isn't anything to associate him with PEDs except him losing some of his musculature, which is normal for an aging male adult.

he ages 20years between fights?

come on.

I'm not even calling Machida a cheat but the difference was definitely not "normal" even if it was caused by something innocent.

 

[Jehannum]

Yeah, apparently its one of the oldest tricks in the book. Do I think he did that? No. If he had there wouldn't be a reason for Nurse to lube him up like he did. Is it possible GSP did it in the past? Maybe. But I'm not sure, I do know is he lubed for the 2nd Penn fight.

well maybe Nurse felt his shoulders weren't slippery enough? or he didn't have the opportunity to do it for that fight and had to improvise, who knows.

 

[copyandpasteguy]

Why am I bullshitting? Because I don't believe what you believe? You're entitled to your opinion, as am I

you can have your opinion but to d

 

[Hardkore]

he ages 20years between fights?

come on.

I'm not even calling Machida a cheat but the difference was definitely not "normal" even if it was caused by something innocent.

lol you've never heard the expression "a fighter who has aged overnight"? That is a legitmate phrase in boxing, I'm sure it translates to mma too. I'm not saying its impossible that Machida never used PEDS, but his age and physical decline could make it APPEAR it was due to being off PEDS.

 

[copyandpasteguy]

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[Jehannum]

lol you've never heard the expression "a fighter who has aged overnight"? That is a legitmate phrase in boxing, I'm sure it translates to mma too. I'm not saying its impossible that Machida never used PEDS, but his age and physical decline could make it APPEAR it was due to being off PEDS.

hahahahaha that expression is not for that at all.

they look like they have aged overnight based on their performance....

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[KillerIsBack V2]

Its his Sumo background.

You saying he squeezed out natural grease during the fight?

 

[Alphafail]

Look, I know all about greasing and the way they both went down, he was getting out of that. Then he went into scramble mode really really fast.

So greased or not, he was getting out of that and I honestly don't like the guy, but I can be unbiased when reviewing.

This. It's not like he magically slipped out of Mousasi's grasp or something.

 

[racso]

Or is it one of the most spectacular sprawl/getaways from a TD attempt I've ever seen ? I think Mousasi was outclassed and is still butthurt over the loss. I don't think people appreciate how difficult a maneuver this was. He was moving in reverse while on the ground, while still using his upper body and hips to avoid being held down by Mousasi.

You could've sent this gif to Vitor ya' know

 

[robjenkins2]

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205 pounds vs 185, not comparable.

 

[ironfist05]

Machida made Mousasi look bad, simple as that. Mousasi can be as butthurt as he wants, he wasn't able to matchup the diversity of Machida's attack. End of.

 

[Sgt Smith]

Chida was a slippery fella.

 

[robjenkins2]

His body looked the same his entire career until he drop down the 185 pounds. For the first few fights he said that he tried to diet all the way down to 185 pounds and barely cut any water weight which is why he looked so shredded, he had no water weight to put back on. I don't think he used steroids and no 7 keto dhea isn't shit.

 

[robjenkins2]

Machida made Mousasi look bad, simple as that. Mousasi can be as butthurt as he wants, he wasn't able to matchup the diversity of Machida's attack. End of.

Mousasi is a great fighter but he's always been bitter about his career and losses.

 

[ironfist05]

Mousasi is a great fighter but he's always been bitter about his career and losses.

yeah, I used to be a fan, but I don't like his attitude at all now.

 

[robjenkins2]

yeah, I used to be a fan, but I don't like his attitude at all now.

I like watching him fight but he is sour grapes all the time. If he won the key fights he needed to he would be in the position he wants to be in. Funny how after the fight he said that Lyoto outclassed him and fought a masterful fight but down the line he says he greased and blah blah blah.

 

[HAWTRIDDUM]

Mineral oil baths and the spreading of facial applied Vaseline to the legs shoulders and arms during fights was not some rare occurance pre-ufc 94.

Many times the cut man was in on it as well.

 

[copyandpasteguy]

His body looked the same his entire career until he drop down the 185 pounds. For the first few fights he said that he tried to diet all the way down to 185 pounds and barely cut any water weight which is why he looked so shredded, he had no water weight to put back on. I don't think he used steroids and no 7 keto dhea isn't shit.

pre usada

lil bump on that stomach too eh??

post usada

 

[Karelinator]

It does look a bit weird, how his knees are sliding seemingly without much friction, but from what we've seen, Octagon floor is quite soft and slippery, so...

 

[Hi-Tech]

He's a cheater what should I say... Fuck him.