Is the United States of America a Banana Republic?

[VivaRevolution]

I will now list the reasons for why I believe the good ol' USA is today clearly a banana republic.

First and foremost, we are corrupt. We all know this. No sane person would deny it. Laws and policy are for sale to the highest bidder. Power grants immunity to the rule of law. Money buys legislation.

Our media is propaganda. Whether we are talking white helmets, or more subtle propaganda in what is not said, and the story not told, our media has become the equivalent of Baghdad Bob screaming there are no tanks in Baghdad.

I would be happy to give specific examples to support each of these claims for those interested in honest discourse and debate.

I will also be happy to mock and anger troll those who are not.

Discuss......

 

[bobgeese]

Are citizens of “banana republics” as well of as Americans?

 

[FIMN]

I'd say an oligarchy, but yes slipping towards a banana republic.

The 2-3 years following the inevitable firing of Mueller, the reaction and safeguards implemented to prevent the erosion of deocratic standards will dictate whether or not the US is still a democracy in the true sense of the word.

I feel like it will probably take decades to undo the anti intellectualism that has led you guys to this point, but I hope it happens.

 

[VivaRevolution]

I'd say an oligarchy, but yes slipping towards a banana republic.

The 2-3 years following the inevitable firing of Mueller, the reaction and safeguards implemented to prevent the erosion of deocratic standards will dictate whether or not the US is still a democracy in the true sense of the word.

I feel like it will probably take decades to undo the anti intellectualism that has led you guys to this point, but I hope it happens.

Did you know Robert Mueller was involved in the FBI cover-up of relations between the CIA and FBI, with Fettulah Gulen, and the infiltration of the FBI by the American Turkish Council, and likely made the decision to illegally fire Sibel Edmonds for whistle blowing?

We already are a banana republic. Only partisans don't recognize this, and this is because you think your side is still fighting the good fight. I believe you are wrong, and what we have today is controlled opposition.

To be fair though, the Trump supporters are the worst example of this. They think because Trump makes allot of noise he is not controlled opposition. They are absurdly wrong. How could someone who is corrupt, not be controlled opposition?

 

[AlexDB9]

As a person who grew up in Cuba I wish I could put you in a real banana republic for a year or two so you know how dumb of a thread this is ts. A few months in Palma Soriano (my hometown) will change your outlook in life

 

[VivaRevolution]

As a person who grew up in Cuba I wish I could put you in a real banana republic for a year or two so you know how dumb of a thread this is ts. A few months in Palma Soriano (my hometown) will change your outlook in life

I think that is a matter of degree of maintained facade, and a matter of wealth.

The corruption is just as deep. Cuba is just poor, and has a history of authoritarian rule, which results in less of a need for facade to cover the corruption to maintain the systems stability.

 

[AlexDB9]

I think that is a matter of degree of maintained facade, and a matter of wealth.

The corruption is just as deep. Cuba is just poor, and has a history of authoritarian rule, which results in less of a need for facade to cover the corruption to maintain the systems stability.

Cmon bro I’m actually rustled/offended by this comment. I guess you have to live under real corruption for you to understand my point. There’s no comparison....no facade or wealth disparity. What we are doing right now discussing corruption on a public forum would be dangerous in banana republic

 

[My Spot]

Let it be known TS that you have a flair for the dramatic.

 

[Neph]

Im a foreigner and I still think the US is an awesome country. There’s a lot of shitholes out there...

 

[bushman505]

Lol nope.

 

[Gandhi]

These terms need to be defined and contrasted in a comparative political framework to have any meaning at all.

Was the US always a banana republic, if not what characteristic made it not one that it lacks now? What country today is / is not a BR? How about historically?

I would think this is hyperbole, 2 years of trump does not equal a BR and if we were one before that then it’s probably a meaningless term.

 

[FIMN]

Did you know Robert Mueller was involved in the FBI cover-up of relations between the CIA and FBI, with Fettulah Gulen, and the infiltration of the FBI by the American Turkish Council, and likely made the decision to illegally fire Sibel Edmonds for whistle blowing?

We already are a banana republic. Only partisans don't recognize this, and this is because you think your side is still fighting the good fight. I believe you are wrong, and what we have today is controlled opposition.

To be fair though, the Trump supporters are the worst example of this. They think because Trump makes allot of noise he is not controlled opposition. They are absurdly wrong. How could someone who is corrupt, not be controlled opposition?

If Robert Mueller is fired and the investigations into Trumps campaigns criminal dealings are cut short, you truly are living in a monarchy like state.

You may not agree with everything law enforcement have done in the US. I certainly don't. But advocating for the powerful to be above the law is a sign of a banana republic.

 

[XThe GreatestX]

I think that is a matter of degree of maintained facade, and a matter of wealth.

The corruption is just as deep. Cuba is just poor, and has a history of authoritarian rule, which results in less of a need for facade to cover the corruption to maintain the systems stability.

Oh jesus....

 

[VivaRevolution]

Cmon bro I’m actually rustled/offended by this comment. I guess you have to live under real corruption for you to understand my point. There’s no comparison....no facade or wealth disparity. What we are doing right now discussing corruption on a public forum would be dangerous in banana republic

Ok. Point conceded.


I concede only what I already had. That the US does not have the history of authoritarian rule Cuba has. That is why they can censor and use force to control speech.

In the US it must be done in a more subtle manor, but have no doubt that if your voice gets loud enough to draw attention, and you are saying the wrong thing, soft power will be brought to bare to silence you in the US.

You are arguing Cuba is more authoritarian. I don't disagree, but that is different then corrupt.

 

[all caps]

I think that is a matter of degree of maintained facade, and a matter of wealth.

The corruption is just as deep. Cuba is just poor, and has a history of authoritarian rule, which results in less of a need for facade to cover the corruption to maintain the systems stability.

Cmon bro I’m actually rustled/offended by this comment. I guess you have to live under real corruption for you to understand my point. There’s no comparison....no facade or wealth disparity. What we are doing right now discussing corruption on a public forum would be dangerous in banana republic

Nothing to add, just wanted to say I appreciate both your perspective.

 

[D3thr0n3d K1ng]

From wiki:

Typically, a banana republic has a society of stratified social classes, usually a large impoverished working class and a ruling-class plutocracy, composed of the business, political and military elites of that society.[1] Such a ruling-class oligarchy control the primary sector of the economy by way of the exploitation of labour

In economics, a banana republic is a country with an economy of state capitalism, by which economic model the country is operated as a private commercial enterprise for the exclusive profitof the ruling class. Such exploitation is effected by collusion between the State and favoured economic monopolies, in which the profit, derived from the private exploitation of public lands, is private property, while the debts incurred thereby are the financial responsibility of the public treasury.

These descriptors do seem to accurately describe Murka.

Murka is definitely not a first-world country as we recognize the term today. I think it has more in common with Brazil than it does with Germany.

 

[My Spot]

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Don't feed the admitted troll.

 

[JonnyRingo84]

I will now list the reasons for why I believe the good ol' USA is today clearly a banana republic.

First and foremost, we are corrupt. We all know this. No sane person would deny it. Laws and policy are for sale to the highest bidder. Power grants immunity to the rule of law. Money buys legislation.

Our media is propaganda. Whether we are talking white helmets, or more subtle propaganda in what is not said, and the story not told, our media has become the equivalent of Baghdad Bob screaming there are no tanks in Baghdad.

I would be happy to give specific examples to support each of these claims for those interested in honest discourse and debate.

I will also be happy to mock and anger troll those who are not.

Discuss......

isnt one key characteristic of a banana republic that your country relies heavily on one export commodity? eg..........bananas. rubber. oil.

so no. thats not us.

and im not sure that our media is propaganda. i think its just for-profit media focused on giving consumers what they want.

 

[D3thr0n3d K1ng]

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Don't feed the admitted troll.

Truth hurt?

 

[VivaRevolution]

From wiki:

Typically, a banana republic has a society of stratified social classes, usually a large impoverished working class and a ruling-class plutocracy, composed of the business, political and military elites of that society.[1] Such a ruling-class oligarchy control the primary sector of the economy by way of the exploitation of labour

In economics, a banana republic is a country with an economy of state capitalism, by which economic model the country is operated as a private commercial enterprise for the exclusive profitof the ruling class. Such exploitation is effected by collusion between the State and favoured economic monopolies, in which the profit, derived from the private exploitation of public lands, is private property, while the debts incurred thereby are the financial responsibility of the public treasury.

These descriptors do seem to accurately describe Murka.

Murka is definitely not a first-world country as we recognize the term today. I think it has more in common with Brazil than it does with Germany.

Lol